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Hello,

Next month I will have a campaign vs an Eldar player, 4x 1vs1.
I play Orks, and I never faced Eldars since the new codex.
What are the new threats of this army, and which Orks units worth it vs such opponent?
I have a bit of everything, so I can be very adaptative.

Any advice is more than welcome!
Thanks

Their serpents are brutal against you. They have 60" range with ignore cover S7 guns, so that is going to hurt. Lootas are good, but will die very quickly because of no cover, so I would stuff them in battlewagons.

Battlewagons in general are good as Eldar can struggle somewhat against AV14. (with normal builds)

Eldar also have a nasty MC in the wraithknight. They can be hard for orks to take down, as he has T8 6W and 3+ save. He has S10 guns and lots of S10 attacks in close combat. I see few good options for orks against this guy. Gazzy can take him, biker warboss with some ablative bikers can take one down.

Have some cheap troops in reserve to come in late and grab objectives for you.

A foot list will have no chance against the average eldar list, you need speed, resilience and punch in your units.

I dunno man, theres lances everywhere which simply laugh at battlewagons. I don't see Eldar as having the volume of fire needed to stop boys blobs, and ignores cover isn't an issue either if the target is a 6pt boy covered by a KFF.

My advice though; just make sure theres heaps of LoS blocking terrain on the table.

Not volume of fire? Where have you been? Eldar are brutal at rolling dice. At 24", you are looking at 8-13 twin-linked shots at S6-7 per serpent, 2-7 of them ignore cover. 4 serpents is fairly common amount, so 32-52 twin-linked S6-7 shots just from them. Dire avengers, guardians, warp spiders etc all bring lots of dice and wraithguard bring S4 Ap2 flamers. God help those orks if the eldar player has brought war-walkers

KFF won`t help, as it is a cover save. Lootas are 15pts each and die first. Those 6pt boys can`t do anything when you are removing them by the handful, which is why foot orks against eldar will be a sad experience for the ork player.

Lances are not very common, the heavy wraithcannons are fairly common however, but here, the KFF can help. Eldar can easily wreck AV14, but in general, you see more S6-7 shooting than all the anti AV14 weapons they CAN take.

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Nice lol! I stand just a little chance then...
From what you say, there are no good Ork unit vs Eldars, and Eldars have a lot of great things against us!
We really need a new codex too :p

The battlewagon is good against them, lootas are good, fast and resilient close combat units are good, cheap scoring units are good.

If I played orks, I would probably go with 3 battlewagons full of lootas behind an aegis with an icarus, a few units of grots, two biker warbosses with a deffkopta retinue each (for scout) and two more battlewagons with nobs.

If the eldar player tunes his list against you, you will really struggle with most ork lists. The eldar codex is much better, and is one of the best if you can tune the list to your opponent.

I have questions for wave serpents to..

3 Dakkajets with the fighta ace have enough glancing hits for them?

Then maybe also field a Waaaghhead HQ with Ghazzy to help get shots and move those boyz.

If they are gonna ignore lots of cover, could meganobz serve as a useful surprise? Maybe if they come from reserve in a trukk?

 Rismonite wrote:
I have questions for wave serpents to..

3 Dakkajets with the fighta ace have enough glancing hits for them?

Then maybe also field a Waaaghhead HQ with Ghazzy to help get shots and move those boyz.

If they are gonna ignore lots of cover, could meganobz serve as a useful surprise? Maybe if they come from reserve in a trukk?

U R rolling for 6ixes to glance. 3 glances to wreck.

Dakkajets will average less than one hp on waagh turn, so not exactly great. They are decent flyers, but should target softer units

@ Illumini:

This is what I run at 1k pts vs Tau v6, do you think it may be good vs Eldars?

1 Big Mek KFF
19 Sluggas
BW rolla

18 Shootas
1 Nob PK BP
BW rolla

18 Shootas
1 Nob PK BP
BW rolla

2x 5 Lootas

A variation is out Big Mek and in Warboss biker.

My opponent is likely to play a WK and/or flyer.

Thanks for your feedback!

 RedizDead wrote:
@ Illumini:

This is what I run at 1k pts vs Tau v6, do you think it may be good vs Eldars?

1 Big Mek KFF
19 Sluggas
BW rolla

18 Shootas
1 Nob PK BP
BW rolla

18 Shootas
1 Nob PK BP
BW rolla

2x 5 Lootas

A variation is out Big Mek and in Warboss biker.

My opponent is likely to play a WK and/or flyer.

Thanks for your feedback!

1000 pt tourney? And the guy is bringing a Wraithknight and a flyer : \

1000pts I put 120+ Orks on the table and we play that game where I run at an objective hoping Mork grants us cover saves and screaming at Gork to make us tough as rockz.

EDIT; And guess what, money says you don't give up first blood and the game hits time limit if there is one.

If you want to negate a Wraithknight throw a blob squad at it to tie it up in combat. My buddy who runs Orks threw x30 boyz into a Wraithknight and it held it up the entire last four turns of the game. Other then that, Battlewagons with Meks with Force Fields and Lootas should work pretty well.

Yea boy (ork boy)

If you want to negate a Wraithknight throw a blob squad at it to tie it up in combat. My buddy who runs Orks threw x30 boyz into a Wraithknight and it held it up the entire last four turns of the game. Other then that, Battlewagons with Meks with Force Fields and Lootas should work pretty well.

 Rismonite wrote:

 RedizDead wrote:
@ Illumini:

This is what I run at 1k pts vs Tau v6, do you think it may be good vs Eldars?

1 Big Mek KFF
19 Sluggas
BW rolla

18 Shootas
1 Nob PK BP
BW rolla

18 Shootas
1 Nob PK BP
BW rolla

2x 5 Lootas

A variation is out Big Mek and in Warboss biker.

My opponent is likely to play a WK and/or flyer.

Thanks for your feedback!

1000 pt tourney? And the guy is bringing a Wraithknight and a flyer : \

1000pts I put 120+ Orks on the table and we play that game where I run at an objective hoping Mork grants us cover saves and screaming at Gork to make us tough as rockz.

EDIT; And guess what, money says you don't give up first blood and the game hits time limit if there is one.

If you want to negate a Wraithknight throw a blob squad at it to tie it up in combat. My buddy who runs Orks threw x30 boyz into a Wraithknight and it held it up the entire last four turns of the game. Other then that, Battlewagons with Meks with Force Fields and Lootas should work pretty well.

Yea boy (ork boy)

So you think my BW army not good enough vs Eldars?

I can't claim to have the experience to have a sound strategy or say that battlewagons can't do it. Feel free to take my advice lightly.


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I wish you were getting more advice I really want to read about what works against eldar to. In a small point game I read that Orks are tought to deal with because point for point we have maybe one of the best troop choices in the game, even with an old codex. Especially if he wants a flyer and a FMC in a 1000pt game. If you wanted to WAAC I would put the cheap infantry out there and at least you could afford to not give a single feth about his flyer and tarpit his MC.

That could be all for nothing thought, and maybe Green Tide 1W model spam is what I would default to in an effort to check my opponent's list in terms of handling soo many models. I often post talking about stuff that isn't green tide.. Most don't play it because it's mind numbingly simple yet we talk about it because the Ork green tide is a good dice check in terms of competing against competitive lists. There is something to be said about having to shoot an army with 120 to 220+ models in a time limit game that forces hard decisions like what is gonna be contesting objectives on turn 3 if the game hits a time limit?

I wish you good luck in fighting a pansie Elf player, at least you will never have to deal with playing some cowardly elf types because you are playing Orks!

Hehehe thanks Rismonite!

It's true that a green tide could be the "easiest" solution, in order to give much more targets than possible for the opponent.
It will all depends if he plans to go full pies, or big mono target canons.
I really don't know.

Obviously only a few Orks players played against Eldars v6 among dakkanauts