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From the comments in the thread here: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/10/forgeworld-becomes-official-for.html

aarondembskibowdenOctober 31, 2013 at 5:41 AM

It's been official since forever. People have always taken polite phrasing to justify their incorrect opinions on what's official.

To GW, it's all official, and always has been, Like it or not, that's the literal truth. To see it being heralded now as something new to adapt to (or worse, that it's still not official) is the very definition of missing the point.[/i]

aarondembskibowdenOctober 31, 2013 at 7:04 AM

That's the thing. GW has released that statement, but the fanbase mistake it as "Forge World is a different company, so they don't count."

GW have released the statement countless times. With the 40K Approved stamps. With Forge World stuff being on almost every page and in almost every army in White Dwarf for months. With every Imperial Armour book since #2 saying "Consider these official, but be nice if an opponent hasn't read the rules, so ask permission." Because of that misunderstanding becoming so entrenched, FW changed it in recent updates to "inform your opponent you're using these rules" with no "ask" at all.

That's how GW chose to release the statement. It's the same as Black Library being canon. To GW, it's all the same, it's all canon, it's all official. But because people apply their misunderstandings to how the company functions, you get this meme about needing "GW" to release a statement.

They did. They have. It's clear as day. People just don't realise what GW is, and take their misconceptions as truth.

aarondembskibowdenOctober 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM

I think the biggest misunderstanding is the triumvirate of "companies" that make up GW.

They're just departments, in the same building. Their designers all go to the same range meetings. Their top brass all talk, all plan, all discuss stuff.

There's a lot more communication than people seem to believe.

For me the argument over whether it was official or not-official was always a non-starter and never really in question. It was always official. I think Aaron sort of sums it up as to why.

The issue is just being official does not mean events have to use it. There are a lot of things in “official” 40k that we choose to allow or disallow at events.

Variety is good, and it allows attendees to participate in the sort of events they want to play.

I do not see anything here changing that other than maybe finally people will stop with the official or not official arguments.

@TimmyMWD –

The issue with 40k Forge World army lists is pretty simple. Forge World might release a book and that book may contain a some new units along with some army list for the “theme of the book” that allows those units to be taken in the army list section. That is all well and good. It also works generally well for a bit. However, at some future point Forge World will include updated versions of those units in an IA: Apocalypse book, or IA: Aeronautica or another compendium type book. Generally this involves some tweak to the unit rules, and/or a point change.

So now the most current version of these unit rules exist in the latest book release. At the same time it is pretty seldom that the entire army list from that book gets an updated. So most of the time you are left with an army list still having the old listing.

By my thought process you are left with two options if you want to allow Forge World army lists.
1. Take it upon yourself to tie out all the army lists to the most current unit rules and make any needed adjustments to the army lists.
2. Allow the older lists, and accept that you will have the same model being played under different rules. Including the distinct possibility that someone may have that same model in both a primary and ally detachment functioning differently.

Option 1: This could be a lot of work depending on the release schedule. Events as you well know have to balance time and resources. Even at events like AdeptiCon the percentage of people that would take advantage and run a Forge World army are pretty small. Is the effort required worth it or is that time and effort better spent someplace it can have a bigger impact on more attendees? I generally feel it is to small of an impact for the work required and as an event organizer my time is better spent elsewhere.

Option 2: One of biggest complaints we hear with regard to Forgeworld is “knowing” the rules. I just think that it is a bad idea to have identical models on the table or being played at the event, that are using different rules. It is asking for trouble, can lead to bad feelings and misunderstandings. All things we prefer to avoid.

So in the end, it is one thing to allow Forge World units. Allowing army lists creates additional considerations.

All that said we have at times, with the Gladiator allowed some selected army lists. I also think you can make a stronger case to allow the Warhammer Forge WFB lists, as generally there is a lot less change happening at Warhammer Forge.

@Blackmoor - every month.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I saw a list today that features Ultramarines allied with Red Scorpions..

Heresy!

@NeedleofInquiry - The purple or the 1.92% was "No preference on Forge World".

Not even the Adepticon rules list has these rules on - they, for whatever reason, do not have anything from IA:Apoc nor IA:12.

As Mechboyz pointed out we generally only update our IA listing for the current year AdeptiCon rule packet. As such, updates are pending to the listing for a number of books ( IA:12, IA:Apoc, HH:2, IA:9 and IA:10 pdf updates and the yet to be released IA 2: 2nd Edition). We have considered maintaining that list year round but have yet to do so.

My experience has been that Forge World is very responsive to customer feedback and to providing pdf updates to support material they do not intend to revisit in the near term. Just look at the pdf updates to IA:9 and Ia10, Zone Mortalis rules, .. great after the sale sort of support.

@Dozer Blades -

The just released IA2: 2nd Edition.