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Where do i get a las canon for my helbrute?

Also i have the dark vengance set all the weapons fit exactly however i got told by my local GW manager(who is a spanker) that you are NOT allowed to pretend that a model has a diffrent weapon to the one it has attached or came with. Where do i get weapons from in this case and is he correct? Maybe for tournament games but for anyone else no one gives a damn.

Your GW manager is a bit of an ass but the shop has the right to enforce What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG). Not every store or play group will enforce it so strictly. Most tournaments do in fact do so, and I personally enforce it on myself, but not everyone will, and I don't care as much for my opponent.

The Dark Vengeance set isn't good for switching out weapons. You'd have to cut the entire right arm off and do a lot of work to make an alternate piece look good. There are still some bits sites in operation and lascannon arms for dreadnoughts are relatively plentiful. For that particular model, I'd carefully cut it just behind the MM barrels so they stay one piece, and trim off a paired lascannon to fit the same spot.

thehitpack wrote:
Where do i get a las canon for my helbrute?

Also i have the dark vengance set all the weapons fit exactly however i got told by my local GW manager(who is a spanker) that you are NOT allowed to pretend that a model has a diffrent weapon to the one it has attached or came with. Where do i get weapons from in this case and is he correct? Maybe for tournament games but for anyone else no one gives a damn.

His claim of being not allowed depends on your opponent. Many people will have no problems with you saying "My helbrute has a lascannon instead of multimelta and you'll be just fine. Especially if the rest of your army is WYSIWYG. Keeping track of one heavy weapon on an obvious model is no big deal. Many tourneys do require full WYSIWYG, and I try to have my armies be WYSIWYG as well.

As for where you get a weapon you need to get it from another kit. Sounds like you are new and don't have a bitz box of extra parts yet, so you can go up to the trade forum here on Dakka or check ebay for someone who is offering up a lascannon part from another kit for sale. Decent lascannon parts can be had from IG heavy squads, most IG vehicle and walker kits, numerous marine and chaos marine tank kits, space marine devastator kits, in addition to existing space marine dreadnought kits. Any of these will do for a conversion so you don't *need* to just get a dreadnought lascannon, which should make it easier to scare up the part you need.

You'll then have to either fully cut off the multimelta, or convert it with lascannon parts. I have 2 of the dark vengeance helbrutes and use 1 as it appears and converted the other to have a twinlinked auto-cannon. With plastic minis such conversions are not tough to accomplish. Best bet is to only take part of the existing weapon off with clippers and a hobby knife and not completely replace the arm on the model. My auto-cannon conversion actually took two IG heavy platoon autocannon barrels and pretty much just fitted them into the ends of the multimelta barrels and added details and ammo magazines to complete it. So the changes don't have to be too crazy either.

Skriker

WYSIWYG is up to the store. if its his store he can say you need to be wysiwyg then it has to be. If you need the las cannon bits you probably will need to ebay some extra parts or scratch build it with some plastic card tube and some extra bits.

Until GW actually makes a real Hell Brute Kit best bet would be buy a SM Dreadnought and Chaos it up.

Having models have what you say they have is quite important in tourney games, because forgetting the multi melta he is armed with is really a las cannon can cause problems, even if you already told them its a Las cannon.

But I'd agree, the Dark Vengeance kit isn't very custom built friendly, but my friend did it quite well. He added two tubes to extend the multi melta to make a very simply auto cannon, but its easy to tell from a distance. Maybe you could go for an Auto canon rather then Las cannon? Much easier to convert.

I for one never felt like running a Multi-melta Dread. So I took a long time and modded my Helbrute, using a Land-Raider twin-linked Lascannon. I cut off the entire weapon arm, filled the resulting 1.5" hole with plastic-card, and pinned the piece in place, adding a skull chain and spikes from the chaos vehicle kit. What do you guys think? Good enough before spending $50 on a Dread?

I'd like to see that from the side, but it looks sweet from the front.

As requested, two more shots. I've never uploaded my stuff to Dakka, but maybe I should start a gallery at some point. I'm not a proficient painter, however.

It doesn't look seemless (fething hard to do I imagine), but it does look great. Very nice job!

Really nice conversion there. Sometimes you just do what you have to to turn the model you have into the model you want.

Skriker

Looks good, Chaosvoices. Now paint it!

I have a helbrute in my gallery with a lascannon. Did nothing more than chop off the melta barrels then take a loyalist lascannon dread arm, chop off the barrels and stick those on. Looks fine.


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Looks very similar to my own twinlinked autocannon conversion to one of my helbrutes. Looks really good.

It would certainly be nice, though, if they would release a more readily posable version of the more corrupted/mutated dread/brute...

Skriker

It wouldn't be that hard to convert. Above are some fine examples, but you don't even need to go that far. Just assemble the model as usual, and then cut off the two barrels sticking out of the right arm, cut down two lascannons to just the last half inch and glue down the new barrels where the old barrels were.

I just did a quick google search for "lascannon hellbrute" and found this. It's a slightly longer-barreled version of EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Should be a pretty easy chop job.

Go with Ailaros and chop off the end of the multimelta and stick on some lascannon barrels. I took my lascannon barrels from a predator turret which I had kit bashed into a big gun (only blue tacke it together to see how it looked) and then went for the helbrute conversion. Looks awesome, just take time to get things lined up to make sure the barrels are parallel.

Hopefully not getting too far off topic but, anyone have any good conversion pics of a Helbrute with missiles or a power scourge? Especially the power scourge?

You'd be better off biting the bullet and buying a forgeworld chaos dread if you wanted a decent looking missile launcher that didn't look like you'd just glued something on it.
I guess you could chop off the left side of the helbrute, sand it down, then glue the missile launcher arm on and liberally smooth it out with greenstuff though.

For a power scourge, I'd say just chop off the helbrute's left arm fingers and glue on the scourge whip cords that comes with a Defiler kit. They're about the right size.

TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Hopefully not getting too far off topic but, anyone have any good conversion pics of a Helbrute with missiles or a power scourge? Especially the power scourge?

A member of my FLGS did a reasonable conversion of a scourge using the multi-head whip-thing from the defiler.

A missile launcher would probably be best done using the missile launcher from the sentinel kit:



I suppose, the real question is why you'd bother. A missile launcher+power scourge hellbrute would be extremely weak.