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Ho do i o about attaching meltas or flamers on to chosen without destroying the models?

Well, you wouldn't need to DESTROY them, but it would probably involve a lot of work, yes. All you've got to do is carefully gouge out the gun from the two of them with bolters and gently set the new gun in.

This all sounds pretty futzy, though. I think I'd start with regular CSM holding meltaguns and then do stuff to make them look more fancy.

thehitpack wrote:
Ho do i o about attaching meltas or flamers on to chosen without destroying the models?

Are you talking about the chosen that come in the Dark Vengeance Starter set?

I guess it depends on what figure you want to use.

I would just grab a standard Chaos Space Marine, add on some ornamental bits or possessed space marine bits, and then give them the melta gun or flamer.

Yeah, what kronk said is your best bet. The normal CSM kit works for chosen as before DV there were no chosen models and there are no individual kits.

The snap together style models in the DV box look great, but don't allow for much variation. There are some possibilities, though. You'll want greenstuff to smooth out seams where you chop.

Bolter Chosen - These would likely be the most difficult. What Ailaros said is basically what you'd have to do. Carve out the bolter and create a spot for your new weapon to go and try to smooth out any rough edges.

Mace/Axe - These guys are easy and you have two options. Rough snip the existing weapons off down to the hands, and flatten the top and bottom of the hands. Glue weapon on top of hand and possibly sculpt or glue a pommel on the bottom. If the hands don't survive, replace with hands chopped from normal CSM kit hands.

Powerfist - This guy's a bit tough. Can replace the elbow down part of his fist to alter his melee weapon or chop the pistol for a range weapon alternative. He has a bolter molded onto his side though. If you're going for WYSIWYG, you may have to cut out his bolter and smooth out the sculpt with bits and/or greenstuff.

Double Lightning Claw - This one is rather easy. You'll need to chop from the elbow down and replace weapon and hands.

Be careful with lightning claw guy and the powerfist guy as I understand that these guys are slightly larger than the normal CSM models. The proportions may be a bit off.

The good news is that they look neat by default and the different poses should give you some dynamic looking figures.

For my Chaos Space Marine army, I was going to mix in some Possessed bits with normal Chaos Space Marine bits, as I mentioned above, but I've tossed that idea for the Forgeworld Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squads. It helps that my CSM army is called the Disciples of Horus and have the Eye of Horus Iconography...

 kronk wrote:
For my Chaos Space Marine army, I was going to mix in some Possessed bits with normal Chaos Space Marine bits, as I mentioned above, but I've tossed that idea for the Forgeworld Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squads. It helps that my CSM army is called the Disciples of Horus and have the Eye of Horus Iconography...

Yeah, I just bought a bunch of these to use as my plasma chosen. They work well, the only thing is it is hard to get the spikey backpacks to look good when they are painted black. The spikes don't stand out enough, it's too much trying to paint them silver, and there's no 'ridge' to hit with a highlight.

They look better in Sons of Horus colors.

Couldn't you just chop off the hands cleanly? It shouldn't be too hard to take standard CSM hands, glue meltas and flamers to them, then glue the hand holding the gun onto the Chosen.

Also, originally I was going to start out W40K hobbying with DV, I then decided to actually avoid it considering that snap-fit doesn't help train your modeling skills and are hard to customize. Plus their weapons are terrible.

The real reason to buy DV is for the Terminators and Dark Angel tacticals, which save a lot of money for the bundle.

The DV set doesn't work that way. the chosen are two-part models, and they're joined in strange ways. The hands and guns are fused to the chest, and don't have convenient ways to take them apart.

Not that you couldn't, but it would be substantially more work than just starting with regular CSM.

You'd also wind up with chosen that didn't look hideously over-detailed. So, that's a plus as well.

I converted the chosen in a DV set to all be holding plasmaguns, and it was definitely a lot of work to get right. Ironically the bolter chosen was probably the hardest one to gouge apart and put a different gun in his hands. You can see them in my gallery. Took some liquid green stuff and some filing but not much more other than a willingness to stab yourself with an xacto far too many times.

Also, if you had a dremel where you could quickly remove lots of material at a time, that would also be helpful. Just sort of think of them like metal models (for which you would have to do similar gouging).

 Ailaros wrote:
The DV set doesn't work that way. the chosen are two-part models, and they're joined in strange ways. The hands and guns are fused to the chest, and don't have convenient ways to take them apart.

Not that you couldn't, but it would be substantially more work than just starting with regular CSM.

You'd also wind up with chosen that didn't look hideously over-detailed. So, that's a plus as well.

Well that's a stunning move right there by GW. I don't know why they make such fairly badass models, yet force such a crappy loadout for people that want to play competitively. At that rate you might as well just buy an Aspiring Champion and chop the wrist off, glue on a melta, then mold some greenstuff around the wrist to hide any differences. While they look fairly fantastic as Chosen go, I'm glad I stayed away from DV considering their guns are fused to other parts of the model. I'd ask what GW was thinking, but I'd guess they weren't. Or maybe they're trying to fight people that chop up models for bits.

you just have to deal with it. the mini rule book and the models make it good

The chosen from the Dark Vengeance set make excellent champions to put in other squads.

this is actually really easy with the bolter chosen. cut off the barrel of the bolter and cut a barrel of the melta as well as the hose

Glue the barrel from the melta to the spot on the bolter where you cut and attach the hose to the bottom. Add some green stuff to cover gaps

No one had noticed that its the body of a bolter with the barrel of a melta

 rayphoton wrote:
this is actually really easy with the bolter chosen. cut off the barrel of the bolter and cut a barrel of the melta as well as the hose

Glue the barrel from the melta to the spot on the bolter where you cut and attach the hose to the bottom. Add some green stuff to cover gaps

No one had noticed that its the body of a bolter with the barrel of a melta

Haha, I find this funny as I wrote up that whole post about converting and didn't think about this even though I've done this before. rayphoton has an excellent suggestion and it works well. I used an extra metal melta barrel from an Oblit kit to bash a resin Plague Marine to have a melta (green stuff hose and reservoir to complete the look). It didn't take much time and is hard to differentiate unless you are looking for it. If you can save the full melta bit you have for later, I would suggest it. If you have guitar string, that also makes for great ribbed tubing. I have a group shot of the model I've done this with but it doesn't show off the melta at all unfortunately.

 kronk wrote:
The chosen from the Dark Vengeance set make excellent champions to put in other squads.

This.