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Here is a list that I wrote for tournament play. It is intended to be a take all comers list.

Farseer, singing spear, Eldar jetbike, mantle of the laughing god – 160
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Windrider Jetbike Squad, 3x additional windrider guardians, 2x shuriken cannon – 122
Windrider Jetbike Squad, 3x additional windrider guardians, 2x shuriken cannon – 122
Wraithguard, 5x d-scythes – 355
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Warp Spiders, 5x additional warp spiders – 190
Wraithknight – 240
Wraithknight – 240
Total: 1849

Please tell me what you all think, and what changes you would make. What matchups do you think will be difficult for this list?

Well, it looks quite good. Underslung shuricannons would be nice for your Serpents. Have a look into a battle report of jy2 with a maximum overload threat army vs. an Eldar-Tau army.

My bad. All of the wave serpents should have shuriken cannons. I am pretty sure that I paid the points for them on all of the wave serpents.

I am going to edit the original list to reflect that.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, it looks quite good. Underslung shuricannons would be nice for your Serpents. Have a look into a battle report of jy2 with a maximum overload threat army vs. an Eldar-Tau army.

Where might I find those battle reports?

sephiroth00055 wrote:
Here is a list that I wrote for tournament play. It is intended to be a take all comers list.

Farseer, singing spear, Eldar jetbike, mantle of the laughing god – 160
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Windrider Jetbike Squad, 3x additional windrider guardians, 2x shuriken cannon – 122
Windrider Jetbike Squad, 3x additional windrider guardians, 2x shuriken cannon – 122
Wraithguard, 5x d-scythes – 355
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Warp Spiders, 5x additional warp spiders – 190
Wraithknight – 240
Wraithknight – 240
Total: 1849

Please tell me what you all think, and what changes you would make. What matchups do you think will be difficult for this list?

great list, in fact my list i used to use had everything the same exept the jebikes, but those are great to.

So, it seems that the list is headed in the right direction. Are there any units that are sub optimal? Anything that needs to be changed? I am also interested in what match-ups will be difficult for the list. Flying Circus Daemons could be a hard match-up. I am unsure if the army has enough anti flyer tech. Thoughts?

you cant ever have your list geared to be able to take out every other kind of list. Its more of how many lists is this good at. the more the better.

serpents are fine anti air, and yes while a flying demon circus could potentially screw you over, getting stuff to better take em down well cause other areas of your lisrt to lack.

So, do you feel that this list is able to combat a large percent of the popular lists in today's meta? I think that it has the tools to combat everything but flier spam.

I am considering allying in some Tau for some anti flier tech.

Drop a wraith knight and take tau broadsides with missiles and commander with all the fancy stuff and that will take care of all flyers.

Also you may want to make the 6 man units 4 x3 man units each with a cannon for more scoring?

Just some ideas Good luck

I am not sure about dropping the wraithknight. I think that I would rather drop the unit of warp spiders. Also, I could downgrade the Farseer to a Spiritseer to make up the difference. Any thoughts on this?

Small changes I'd make:

Divide Jetbikes into four units.
Divide Warp Spiders into two units.

That gives you tons of units that just pump out damage, and a lot of super fast scoring units that add a little fire power here and there.

Bigger changes:

Turn Wraithguard into Dire Avengers (saves 145 points).
Drop Warp Spiders (saves 190 points)
Drop 3 Jetbikes and turn the remaining into three units (saves 51 points)

Add Tau Batman (MSSS, CCN, PENchip, VRT), Riptide (IA, FB, VT, EWO) and 10 Kroot (costs 410 points)

24 points over.

So, drop the Mantle on the Farseer and give him Spirit Stones of Anfnffirib-or-whatever (saves 25 points). Farseer joins the Riptide and Batman for protection and pumps out buffs and maledictions.

Just some food for thought against Tau or Tau/Eldar; you will have to rely on your Farseer staying out of LOS. It is not uncommon to see S8+ shooting that ignores cover. If you can't hide him, you risk losing your Warlord and psychic support pretty early in the game. You are essentially risking that model with a 4+ inv save.

So, here is a version of the list that has Tau allies:

Main Detachment: Eldar – 1393
Farseer, Eldar jetbike, the spirit stone of Anath’lan – 130
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Windrider Jetbike Squad – 51
Windrider Jetbike Squad – 51
Windrider Jetbike Squad – 51
WraithKnight – 240
WraithKnight – 240

Allies: Tau – 468
Commander, command and control node, puretide engram chip, multi-spectrum sensor suite, vectored retro-thrusters, drone controller – 148
XV104 Riptide, twin-linked fusion blaster, ion accelerator, 2x shielded missile drones, early warning override, velocity tracker – 260
Kroot Carnivore Squad – 60
Total: 1861

As per Thud's suggestion, you attach the farseer and batman to the Riptide unit. This unit funtions as anti flier, and anti TEQ.

Any Ideas for cutting the 11 points off of the list? I am liking this list a lot, but I am not sure if it is better than the pure Eldar list. Any thoughts?

The drone controller doesn't work on the Shielded Missile Drones, so you might as well drop that.

You're still 3 points over, though.

If you drop one Shielded Missile Drone the Riptide unit is still majority toughness 6. That gives you 22 points, which could be spent on Shuriken Cannons for two of the Jetbike units, or an EWO and an Airbursting Fragmentation Projector for the Tau Commander. A nasty surprise for outflankers and other weak troops coming in from reserves. A bit situational, but potentially very helpful.

sephiroth00055 wrote:
So, do you feel that this list is able to combat a large percent of the popular lists in today's meta? I think that it has the tools to combat everything but flier spam.

I am considering allying in some Tau for some anti flier tech.

yes, your list is great, and will cover mojority of lists. but, it wont beat them all

Here is a list that takes Broadsides instead of the Riptide:

Main Detachment: Eldar – 1342
Farseer, Eldar jetbike, Spirit Stone of Anath’lan – 130
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, shuriken cannon, holo-fields
Windrider Jetbike Squad – 51
Windrider Jetbike Squad – 51
WraithKnight – 240
WraithKnight – 240

Allies: Tau – 508
Commander, iridium armor, puretide engram chip, multi-spectrum sensor suite, command and control node – 163
XV88 Broadside Team, 2x additional broadside shas'ui, 3x early warning override, bonding knife ritual, twin-linked high-yield missile pods, 6x missile drones = 285
Kroot Carnivore Squad – 60

Total: 1850

Yes yes yes and yes with a kitten on top.

That is a beastly list and I for one wouldn't care to fight it.
It is my opinion that you should take the Eldar supplement instead of normal codex and swap stones for the wraith forge stone for the 3+ regain wound for a wraith knight, just an idea.

All together very well rounded just dont play vs Tau with GK allies because alot of force weapons could kill your MC if your not careful.

also there supplement warlord traits are better

Your list is awesome but i was wondering why you dont have a scatter laser or shuriken cannon / star cannon on the wraithknights, atleast the scatter laster to get the twin linked from the laser lock special rules? Maybe its me thats misunderstanding wording or a tactic?

I am glad that the new list seems to be so well accepted. Does the wraith forge stone cost the same amount as the spirit stone? Also, I don't have the Iyanden book. What are the warlord traits? I am unsure if I want to buy a $50 book, just for a single piece of wargear and warlord traits. Although, if it is worth it, and makes the army better, then I would consider it.

The warlord traits are:

1. A hero for ages past and future.
Roll a D3; this is how many rerolls your warlord can make over the course of the game for any to hit, to wound, armour pen, and saves.

2. Beacon of hope renewed.
Warlord and all friendly units within 12" have FNP 6+

3. Driven by ancient doom.
Warlord and unit have hatred.

4. Lord of sorrowful dead.
Warlord can spirit mark or double spirit mark if he has it already (like spirit seer).

5. Purity of a flawless soul.
Warlord and unit get +1 to deny the wizard.

6. The undying flame.
Warlord rerolls all failed saves, but as soon as he fails a rerolled save he loses ability.


Also the wraithforge stone is 30 points with a 6" range for the wound regen on a wraith lord or knight.

 Frecklesonfire wrote:
Your list is awesome but i was wondering why you dont have a scatter laser or shuriken cannon / star cannon on the wraithknights, atleast the scatter laster to get the twin linked from the laser lock special rules? Maybe its me thats misunderstanding wording or a tactic?

because the wraithknight can only fire 2 weapons a turn, therefore making all upgrades on stock wraithknight useless.

So, for the time being, I am going to be sticking with just the Eldar. I will likely eventually ally in the Tau, but not right now. This is the list that I have arrived at:

Spirit Seer – 70
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, twin-linked shuriken catapult, holo-fields
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, twin-linked shuriken catapult, holo-fields
Dire Avengers – 210
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, twin-linked shuriken catapult, holo-fields
Windrider Jetbike Squad – 51
Windrider Jetbike Squad – 51
Wraithguard, 5x d-scythes – 355
Wave Serpent, twin-linked scatter laser, twin-linked shuriken catapult, holo-fields
Warp Spiders, 5x additional warp spiders – 190
Wraithknight – 240 (Warlord)
Wraithknight – 240
Total: 1827

I would be taking it out of the Iyanden book. I would really like to find 7 points to cut, so I could take the wraithforge stone. Any thoughts?