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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 10:36:34
Subject: Iron Raven [1848 pts] - A Competitive Ravenwing + Iron Hands List
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Executing Exarch
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This is my effort at creating a tournament level ravenwing based list. I have found that due to the lack of good tanking characters and no serious AA the ravenwing force cannot perform when you are guaranteed to run into either 2 ion riptide + markerlights and helldrakes. This is critical to the ravenwing as they are reliant on the banner of devastation command squad to up their damage to make your opponent cry levels.
This list mostly remedies these problems;
-The Iron Hands chapter master will tank hits for the RW command squad. With EW, 2+/3++, 4 wounds, FnP, and IWND he should be capable of tanking a 4 helldrake list for almost an entire game. He even gains scout and skilled rider from his unit.
-Stormravens are one of the premiere anti hellturkey units in the game. In fact the MM/LC Stormraven has a 50% or better chance explode pretty much any flyer in the game in a single turn of shooting.
-The Iron Hands bike when joined by Sammy gain skilled rider and scout. This makes them roughly equivalent to WS bikers with 6+ FnP and gives me reasonable counters to MCs as I can either scout up and unload or outflank and unload. That is 9 grav, 1 PC, and a MM. Not bad.
Some of my concerns;
-I cannot climb stairs. I had to drop a TAC IH squad to get grav-guns. I think it is worth it as my list has plenty of high AP/low Str from the bolters but is lacking somewhat in the low AP/high Str weaponry.
-I have 3 blast weapons in the entire list...and one doesn't actually kill stuff. There is almost no reason to spread out against my list and that is usually a bad thing. I cannot get a TFC as I need the stormraven. I think the threat of the orbital bombardment and plasma cannon may be enough to help but it is a weakness.
-I have 0 ignore cover. I am really considering dropping some bikers to fit in a legion of the damned squad or perhaps switching some melta to flamers. What are peoples experiences with flamers in a ravenwing army?
+++ Iron Raven (1848pts) +++
Primary Detachment: Dark Angels
+ HQ +
Sammael (200pts); Corvex
Ravenwing Command Squad (295pts);5x Black Knight, Apothecary, GL
+ Troops +
Ravenwing Attack Squadron (181pts); 2x Meltagun, 5x Ravenwing Biker, Naked Sarge
Ravenwing Attack Squadron (181pts); 2x Meltagun, 5x Ravenwing Biker, Naked Sarge
Ravenwing Attack Squadron (181pts); 2x Meltagun, 5x Ravenwing Biker, Naked Sarge
Ravenwing Attack Squadron (181pts); 2x Meltagun, 5x Ravenwing Biker, Naked Sarge
Allied Detachment: Iron Hands
+ HQ +
Chapter Master (250pts); Artificer Armour, The Shield Eternal, Thunder Hammer, Bike
+ Troops +
Bike Squad (179pts); MM Attack Bike, Sarge w/ combi-grav, 3 Bikers w/ 2 grav-guns
+ Heavy Support +
Stormraven Gunship (200pts); TL-LC, TL-MM
Thanks for reading and please let me know your opinions and any advice you can give.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 12:18:41
Subject: Iron Raven [1848 pts] - A Competitive Ravenwing + Iron Hands List
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Wicked Wych With a Whip
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how do you plan on dealing with Eldar??
other than a faster eldar bike list looks really good
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 18:25:18
Subject: Iron Raven [1848 pts] - A Competitive Ravenwing + Iron Hands List
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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Save points somewhere (one bike squad/upgrade less) and put some assaulty squad with power weapons into a stormraven.
I.e. honnour guard. 5-6 models (135-160pts) would do all the difference.
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Stormraven is nice when it comes to dealing with enemy flyers, but otherwise it's expensive shooting plaltform. With honour guard inside it can kill enemy on objective, tie some units in combat with multi-charge and generally do more useful stuff than just shooting its lascannons and multimeltas.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 21:58:53
Subject: Iron Raven [1848 pts] - A Competitive Ravenwing + Iron Hands List
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Executing Exarch
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SM biker lists are actually really well suited against eldar (I assume you are refering to serpent spam?). As they can easily catch them in melee and punch them to death or if they shoot their shields I have 8 meltaguns that should be able to get in melta range with relative ease.
If you mean eldar biker lists then ravenwing dakka banner builds have a huge leg up on them as they have double the range, the same movement, out shoot them, out assault them, and get to scout redeploy (therefore with even a modicum of forethought you can put your guys 25" away from the opponent so you damage first).
Honor guard is a unique idea. Are they worth 2 melta and 24 bolter shots a turn? Perhaps, as they do help to solve my high cover weakness. Not sure how I feel about putting an assault squad in a stormraven though as I tend to find them have stuff to kill every turn and usually get killed before they run out of targets.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 12:30:00
Subject: Re:Iron Raven [1848 pts] - A Competitive Ravenwing + Iron Hands List
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Standard C:SM Bike Squadrons with the buffs from Khan Scars are literally better in every way compared to standard Ravenwing bikers aside from the teleport homer while costing 6 points less per model and not needing the Vet Sarge upgrade; seeing as how you don't even have any deepstriking units it seems a bit silly.
Khan can't give your IH Bikers skilled rider but he can still give them scout, and at that he costs about 55 points less. He's not quite the beast in CC or shooting, but honestly I've never really thought much of what Sammy adds anyway.
Giving the RWCS the standard of devastation would be a...sufficient reason to change to keep RW, but honestly you're not exactly lacking anti-infantry and MC's still shrug off the bolter fire you'll put out, especially Riptides, and you have to blob to get it.
On the other hand, the FNP banner is worth considering. Honestly, I'd take some LSS' and maybe a few more Black Knights so you're not wasting points on the RWAS's.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 19:46:20
Subject: Iron Raven [1848 pts] - A Competitive Ravenwing + Iron Hands List
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Executing Exarch
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I already run a similar lists with white scars, one with a grav command squad, one pure WS, and one with TH/SS biker command squad. It is fine but it is not ravenwing (my first army). So lets get RW to work.
Khan doesn't give scout unless he is warlord and Sammy doesn't make bikes troops unless he is primary. I really dislike that but what can you do?
The sheer firepower of a BoD biker list is pretty nasty if I could find the points I would have brought a grav command squad to scout up with the RWCS.
The FnP banner + RWBK is an excellent idea. I can outflank and combat squad the RWAS to cover the troops and take a bunch of BKs. I will need another ~10 or so BK models however so...ouch. Mr.Omega are you trying to abuse my poor wallet?
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