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Hi guys,

I've been away from the game for a long time and recently decided I wanted to get back into it.-
On thursday I will be playing against a White Scars army with IG allies, as with most WS lists it mostly consists of bikers. For this battle I've composed two lists.

-Space Marines with Dark Angel allies
-Dark Angel with Space Marine allies

I mostly ally for the AA support since the DA don't really have that and even though SM bikers are probably better I really like the look of the DA bikers.

C:SM
1 Chapter Master 230
Artificer armor
Shield Eternal
Thunder Hammer
Storm shield
+
1 Assault Terminator Squad 220
4 TH / SS
+
1 Stormraven Transport 230
TL MM TL AC
Hurricane Bolters

Tactical Marine Squad 1 165
10 Marines
1 Plasma Cannon
1 Meltagun


Tactical Marine Squad 2 90
5 Marines
1 Lascannon

Tactical Marine Squad 3 160
10 Marines
1 Flamer
1 Missle Launcher


1 Stormtalon Gunship 125
Skyhammer Missle

Dark angels
1 Librarian 150
Lvl.2
Bike
Field generator

1 Ravenwing Command Squad 205
4 Bikes
1 Company Banner
1 Narthecium

1 Ravenwing Bike squad 132
4 Bikes
1 Veterean Sergeant
1 Power Weapon

1 Tactical Marine Squad 142
8 Marines
Plasma Cannon
Plasmagun

1849 points



This list has two main threats, the assault termi's with the Marshal and the Ravenwing command squad with the Libby while getting fire support from both the ground and the air.

List 2

Dark Angels 1187
Belial 190

1 Deathwing Terminator Squad 240
- 4 TH SS
1 Deathwing Terminator Squad 245
- Assault Cannon
- Chainfist

Tactical Marine Squad 185
- Plasma Cannon
- Plasmagun
- Plasmapistol

Black Knight Squad 180
4 Black Knights
1 Power weapon

Ravenwing Bike Squad 137
4 Bikes
Plasma gun
Power weapon

Space Marines 660

Captain 150
Storm shield
Relic Blade
Artificer Armor

Tactical Marine Squad 160
10 Marines
1 Flamer
1 Missle Launcher

1 Stormraven Transport 230
Hurricane Side Sponsers
TL MM TL AC

1 Stormtalon 125
Skyhammer Missles

This list is much more aggressive and tries to bring the fight to you with 10 Deathwing Terminators as troop choices along with some fire support.

As this is my second game in a long while my list doesn't have to be the most competitive. I'm leaning towards the second list but I could see it going either way. Any thoughts or tactica how to deal with those pesky bikers?

Are those crusader squads or tactical squads? You label them as tacticals yet you call them initiates, that's confusing.

There's key subtle differences between the two

also your chapter master should have some way to be relentless so he can move and fire the orbital

Do your troops need to start inside the storm raven? You risk losing them if the raven gets shot down. My friend uses one and packs it with troops and a dread which i alwyas shoot down and typically everything inside dies or takes some serious damage.

I would say that you dont need to start them inside they could be helping you shoot at those bikes

If you expect IG bring lascannons as many as you can the ravens wont be there to help you until turn 2 minimum

and also increase the mastery level on the librarians

I don't get why people say DA don't have AA support, that is so wrong it makes me mad. Unfortunately the flyers are pricey and are in competition with better fast attack choices in competitive builds but the DA flyers are just as good at AA as C:SM flyers also DA have access to mortis dreads if you allow FW and 155 points for 2 twin linked lascannons with interceptor and skyfire is nothing to laugh at.

I never ally my DA with other army's but will ally SM with DA as they can bring better libby's if you discount tiggy.

I was planning on playing BT's but decided I hadn't had to commit yet so I'm still looking for a chapter as you can't (fluff wise) ally with a libby as a BT.

I upped the mastery to lvl 2. and changed the Marshall's loadout since I had points to spare.

The Termi's can either deepstrike or ride the Stormraven, if they want to be with the marshall then they have to ride the raven, they can all take a hit if its crashes.