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Hey, Dakka, it's the Doc. As I slowly build up my Word Bearers army (read: VERY, very slow), I am wondering about taking Daemons for allies, and if so, which ones in what quantities. In keeping with fluff, I figure these guys will basically run up to the enemy and tarpit them or kill them outright. If need be, I can use cultists as meatshields for them (meatshields for meatshields for troops, lol). What do you guys think?

I would do something like

Bloodthirster
2 Greater Gifts

Bloodletters x 10
Bloodletters x 10

Flesh hounds of khorne - 15
Flesh hounds of khorne - 15

If you wanna spend even more points add heralds for the hounds units and more hounds

Bloodthirsters and fleshhounds are the best khorne units in the Daemons codex in my opinion

At some point I'll try the Chaos Daemon detachment as the primary detachment, but still only spend a minimum of points here and actually spend most points on the Chaos Space Marine allied detachment. Though the allied detachment can still only consist of 6 units and maybe some more if dedicated transports are included.

The point is to make an army with a good amount of fire power which is enhanced if you roll 5, 6, 8 or 9 on the Warp Storm table. We only get to roll on that table if the Chaos Daemons are the primary detachment.

Do you think this would work?

Firstly the warp storm table wont enhance your CSM/Marked Marines so i dont really know what youre trying to do..

If you spent 500 points on daemons and 1500 on CSM the table would only be boosting 500 points in your army. If youre going to try to capitalize on the warpstorm table take fatey and use CSM as a smaller allied detachment.

 Dr. Temujin wrote:
Hey, Dakka, it's the Doc. As I slowly build up my Word Bearers army (read: VERY, very slow), I am wondering about taking Daemons for allies, and if so, which ones in what quantities. In keeping with fluff, I figure these guys will basically run up to the enemy and tarpit them or kill them outright. If need be, I can use cultists as meatshields for them (meatshields for meatshields for troops, lol). What do you guys think?

As with all these sorts of questions, it would help to know what you're already running/planning to run in the CSM detachment. But for running up and killing them duty, the Slaanesh units will give you the speed and ability to kill anything due to rending. They will suck as tarpits though.

A big unit of hounds will give you excellent tar pitting and good speed, but I find them somewhat lacking in edge when it comes to dealing out damage to anything with decent armour saves.

Perhaps a balance of units to cover all bases, and fitting in the restrictions of one FOC would be

Herald of Khorne, greater, lesser, juggernaut, hatred locus
Daemonettes (as many or as few as points allow) with Icon, Champion and Aether blade (greater or lesser, gives some guaranteed AP2)
Lots of hounds (insert herald here)

The minimum speed is 10" a turn (assuming you roll 1" on the fleet reroll for the Dameonettes) and the Hounds can scout forward too.

You should be able to squeeze that into 500 pts too.

jakl277 wrote:
Firstly the warp storm table wont enhance your CSM/Marked Marines so i dont really know what youre trying to do..

If you spent 500 points on daemons and 1500 on CSM the table would only be boosting 500 points in your army. If youre going to try to capitalize on the warpstorm table take fatey and use CSM as a smaller allied detachment.

But.... Have you seen the results of the Warp Storm table? Do I really have to use the argument that there are also negative results in the Warp Storm table?

I'll go through the table to see what fewer Daemon units would mean:

With few Chaos Daemon units the roll of 2 is less bad whereas a roll of 12 is untouched.

The result of 3 is worse as you'll probably only have your Warlord as a character with the Daemonic Instability rule unless some Heralds also are chosen. Result 11 is untouched.

Results 4 and 10 cancels each other out, no matter how many Chaos Daemon units.

Results 5, 6, 8 and 9 (which I would be hoping for to enhance the shooting phase) would be slightly better as their negative sides are less significant.

Overall the Warp Storm table would be strictly better, especially if some Heralds are chosen and which should join squads too.

I just posted this on another post not a minute ago but here is what you want to get for your allied detachment:

Herald of Khorne - 155
-Juggernaut, Exalted Locus and Reward (grimoire)
Daemonettes (15)
Flesh Hounds (15)

That works out to 530 and can handle a variety of things. Those flesh Hounds will win you games most of the time. Use them as you see fit. Daemonettes die to bolterfire and even las fire. Keep them hidden and use them in need of rending. They are your scalpel. Those Dogs will put so many wounds on anything it's hard to hold them back. Be wary of: wraithknights/MCs and terminators. This is your checklist. Is it a terminator EQ or MC? No? Charge it with the Dogs. It will die a horrible death.

If you are running an assault CSM list, the dogs will fit in perfectly. There is absolutely no reason they should not be in assault turn 2 at the latest. But also keep in mind that you do not have Fateweaver's re-roll for the Grimoire. So I'd hold them back/charge them when your army is charging.

You can make a pretty interesting scouting element by taking

Herald of Khorne - 155
-Juggernaut, Exalted Locus and Reward (grimoire)
Flesh Hounds (15)

and

Karnak
Bloodcrushers of Khorne (6+)

This gives two units in the enemies face turn 1 and you can take an icon in the blood crusher unit for accurate DS of any other CD you bring. The flesh hounds are the real star but the blood crushers can be devastating with the girmoire and give cover to everything behind them (as the model is pretty big).

Otherwise pink horrors and plaguebearers are fantastic objective capturers if you don't mind getting your khorne mixed with other.

Thanks for all the replies! Briefly looking over the Daemon Codex, I kinda figured Khornate and Slaaneshi units would do what I intend, that is tarpitting or outright killing. I haven't constructed a sizeable list quite yet for CSM, but I will post something in the future that will have a Daemon allies detachment.