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So this weekend I played in a tournament where I ended up having to roll dice one at a time. I had to roll 10 dice on one jetbike before allocation went to my farseer. I ended up passing the first 9. The last roll ended with him dying. Odds would have said 4 wounds should have been taken with roughly a 60% chance using a 3+ save.

On another game I played my opponent rolled all saving throws one at a time.

I just wanted to know what everyone's take is on one at a time rolling?

An utter waste of time unless there is a demonstrable advantage, or some bookkeeping necessity, which makes it necessary.

One of the most irritating and clumsy elements of 6th IMO.

Waste of time.

I would have to agree. My opponent that rolled each dice individually took an astronomical amount of time determining where wounds went via the single roll. The game barley reached turn four by his method.

Could their be the advantages though? Would the odds be skewed one way or the other one at a time?

This kind of behavior would get you a disqualification for slow play at sanctioned tournaments for games like M:tG or YGO.

I wouldn't do it in tournaments or if either player is stressed for time.

My brother enjoys rolling like this, however we generally play in very large games 2v2 at 2000 each for a total of 8k points on the table at least if not more. Point being is that he does seem to roll better this way but we don't let him do it because it simply slows the game down WAY too much.

I only roll 1 at a time IF someone important or different is in the front, or may be affected. But as soon as that character or other model dies or its impossible for that model to be wounded by the amount of dice oi just roll them all at once. After all i did pay extra points for them (notable exarchs) but only if their armour save is different.

I only roll one dice at a time for reserves (duh) and when multiple Instant Death wounds are done to the Doom of Malan'tai. I don't know why, but he can make 5 3++ if they're one at a time, but will fail one if I roll two at a time.

 jifel wrote:
I only roll one dice at a time for reserves (duh) and when multiple Instant Death wounds are done to the Doom of Malan'tai. I don't know why, but he can make 5 3++ if they're one at a time, but will fail one if I roll two at a time.

Exactly my point!

What if there's a method to the madness here. Time is obviously an issue with this going on but urging critical/ pivotal points during the game, could gain one's edge by passing an above average amount of saves. I know there is no defined method of odds to this but as the quoted poster stated rolling multiples he's bound to roll a fail. What if during end game moves you roll singles for the saves to attempt to gain an edge by playing the odds in your favor if at all possible?

K2thearma wrote:
What if there's a method to the madness here. Time is obviously an issue with this going on but urging critical/ pivotal points during the game, could gain one's edge by passing an above average amount of saves. I know there is no defined method of odds to this but as the quoted poster stated rolling multiples he's bound to roll a fail. What if during end game moves you roll singles for the saves to attempt to gain an edge by playing the odds in your favor if at all possible?

The only possible advantage to rolling one die at a time is that it's easier to cheat. There are methods for "rolling" dice that aren't actually random (dropping it onto the table without letting it roll, etc), but they depend on having fine control over a single die and can't really be done if you throw a whole handful of dice. But if you're rolling "fair" dice then there is absolutely no difference between one die rolled X times and X dice rolled simultaneously. The incident you mention in the OP was pure luck. You have about a 2.5% chance of passing nine 3+ saves in a row, or about half the chance of rolling a 20 on a 20-sided die. IOW, you shouldn't see it happen very often but if you play 40k long enough you're almost guaranteed to see that kind of rolling.

i always roll them at once unless the same situation as you stated occurs either by different saves or requiring a look out sir. Sometimes it kinda peeves your opponent since it does seem to be better to roll 1 by 1 but i cannot LOS wounds i already tried to save so be patient while i try to save my bossman.

 jifel wrote:
I only roll one dice at a time for reserves (duh) and when multiple Instant Death wounds are done to the Doom of Malan'tai. I don't know why, but he can make 5 3++ if they're one at a time, but will fail one if I roll two at a time.

This is nothing more than confirmation bias. There is absolutely no difference between the two methods, you just remember the dramatic times when you roll one at a time and pass them all, but forget the times when you roll some dice and get an average result.

The only time I'd do it is if an armour/inv save is different for one model than the others. If my squad of terminators with a captain is being shot at by a bunch of plasma, I'm going to roll as many dice as there are models between the captain and the firers, until it hits said captain, and if he dies, then I'm going to roll the remainder all at once.

I really only do this when the game requries it. Playing Eldar, who have many units with mixed saves, this is somewhat often. This is the main time it happens, rolling saves before wounds get to characters.

As it happens, I seem to pass saves much more often when I roll one at a time.

Belly wrote:
As it happens, I seem to pass saves much more often when I roll one at a time.

You don't.

Waste of time!
Once I didn't have enough dice and I asked my freind for more. He told me to re-roll the ones I had.... It wasted a bit of time we could of been playing and I was going mad!

 Peregrine wrote:

Belly wrote:
As it happens, I seem to pass saves much more often when I roll one at a time.

You don't.

Stop stalking me and watching all of my games you weirdo.

I have seen one at a time rollers who try to "hit" a die already thrown which is showing a bad result.in a effort to get it to change. So they throw one at a time but count results in a group. Simply cheating, but some people like winning more than they like a fair game.

I roll depending on a wound allocation basis.

If the guy at the front has 2 wounds I'll roll 2 at a time until he's 1 wound then 1 at a time until dead. (only if the unit is comprised of different models)

more of a game-play necessity.

I would always prefer to roll singularly when making saves as guys seem to survive this way, but i don't actually do it

Literally every one I play with rolls armour saves singly.
We roll shooting and wounding using many dice, but when it comes to armour saves everyone believes that rolling singly is better...

I know this isn't the case, but the first game I tried rolling saves singly (my icon termie for my MoS terminators had got to the front of his unit somehow - I swear I didn't see him move ) I passed 18 armour saves, so that idea is now lodged in my brain somewhere too...

(tbh, I did fail two armour saves (I took 20 in total), but I managed to 5+ fnp both of them...)

Most of the time there's no reason you can't roll at least 3+ at a time...I have a mixed henchmen blob with an IC that contains a 2+, 3+, 4+, 5+, and - save...rolling small groups at a time is necessary.

Learning how to roll dice quickly and effectively is the sign of a skilled tournament player. Its one of those skills you should master if you enjoy competitive play.

 labmouse42 wrote:
Learning how to roll dice quickly and effectively is the sign of a skilled tournament player. Its one of those skills you should master if you enjoy competitive play.

^+1

i tend to make 'cinematic' saves one by one, for the drama. So if my company commander is on two wounds and needs to take three invulnerable saves...stuff like that.

Doing it as standard is just time wasting though.

There will be times where it is necessary to take it 1 at a time or even 2 at a time.

Any other time is a waste of time. (or just cheating)

It's just not a good idea...

UNLESS

1. We are drinking and just screwing around

2. It's the last (or almost last) set of die rolls and the game hinges on the result AND it's been a fun game... Then I'd consider rolling one at a time for cinematic effect.

Or if rolling for a shadow field when a 1 shorts it out. If you roll them together how do you determine when and which were the failed saved