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Made in gb
Oberstleutnant





Back in the English morass

My Latest British army for FoW is an Armoured Squadron which I based on the Scot's Greys in Normandy. As I couldn't find much information on them I simply made up a list using the Armoured Squadron list in the V3 rulebook.

V3 rulebook Armoured Squadron (CT)

HQ 2 Sherman

Armoured troop: 3 Sherman, 1 Firefly

Armoured troop: 3 Sherman, 1 Firefly

Armoured troop: 3 Sherman, 1 Firefly

Armoured troop: 3 Sherman, 1 Firefly

Recce patrol: 4 Stuart V

Rifle Platoon

RA Field Battery: 4 Sexton

This is now just about finished aside from a few odds and ends.

However I have now bought the Overlord book on Easy Army which has a list for the 4th Armoured Brigade (which the Scots Grey's served with) and I see that there are significant differences.

Overlord Independent Armoured Brigade (CT).

HQ - 2 Sherman II with AA MGs

Independent armoured troop: 2 Sherman II,1 Firefly

Independent armoured troop: 2 Sherman II,1 Firefly

Independent armoured troop: 2 Sherman II,1 Firefly

Independent armoured troop: 2 Sherman II,1 Firefly

Independent AA troop: 2 Crusader AA

Independent Recce troop: 3 Stuart III

Corps SP antitank platoon: 4 Wolverines

Rifle platoon (CV)

Field Battery: 4 Sexton

My main problem is that (almost) all my Shermans are Sherman IIs which would mean that I should really stick to the Overlord list but on the other hand the Scot's Grey's are supposed to have had Stuart Vs which Isn't allowed in that list and I would also need to paint up quite a lot more. I'm also not sure of troop organisation, 3 or 4 hulls?
In game terms I much prefer the V3 list as 3 'strong' CT Shermans don't exactly fill me with confidence, even if there is 4 troops of them. Is the boost the the 17 pounders penetration in the Overlord book retrospective to other lists?

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2013/11/11 19:02:09


RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Been Around the Block




According to Overlord p90+ the 4th Armoured Brigade is Confident Veteran and Stuart Vs are in the list as the Armoured Regimental Recce Platoon (Weapon Platoon, second column) Cromwells are also and option. Either Sherman II or Vs are allowed. The antitank A10 platoon is not allowed for the 4th Armoured but a platoon of 3 or 4 Fireflies is allowed.

I'm not aware of any major list revisions for Overlord so I don't know why you're not seeing this on the EasyArmy list .

As for the amount of hulls, normally I would recommend a maximum but I can see the argument for 3 hulls to maximise the number of Fireflies, But if you want to put all your eggs in one basket and have a Firefly platoon in place of the Wolverines then you cannot have any Fireflies in the combat platoons. In that case I would go for platoons of four Sherman II/Vs so that I can also have a four tank Firefly platoon.
   
Made in gb
Oberstleutnant





Back in the English morass

I used the wrong list....

It looks like I will need to make some changes anyway as I can't field a rifle platoon so I will have to buy some M5s to field a motor platoon and it looks like 4th armoured still had Honeys.

What I mean by the number of hulls is would the individual troops be 3 or 4 hulls strong?


RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog 
   
Made in gb
Been Around the Block




So far as I can tell you can still field a rifle platoon with the 4th Armoured although it's a bit unclear which division on P106 you would take, I would guess 7AD (RV). However it's possible that the text could be interpreted as only allowing the motor platoons. EasyArmy may have a better take on this than me.

I think I understood you about the hulls. My point was that in normal Brit Sherman platoons there may be an argument for three tanks rather than four because that gives you a higher density of Fireflies (one out of three rather than one in four). However for the 4th Armoured you can group all you Fireflies in a separate platoon but you cannot have any Fireflies in your normal combat platoons and if you want a four (rather than three) Firefly platoon every combat platoon must have four normal Shermans.

Interesting list possibilities, though. I hadn't really looked at the 4th Armoured before.
   
 
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