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Hi, all.

Firstly, yes, I know this product is crap, there's enough hate for it out there already.

I've used this thing before, and at the moment I'm trying to basecoat with it, but the damn thing just won't work! I've cleaned it three times, there are n blockages, the air works, and the thing will shoot water if I fill up its reservoir with such, but the damn thing will not shoot paint, no matter how much I water it down. No, scratch that, it will shoot green-tinted water if the mixture's 98% water, 2% paint.

Is there a known issue with these? I can't understand it, if there're no blockages, why won't it work?

Any ideas would be a great help.

Cheers.

I know you've already stated that you know it's crap, but it's probably not working because it's just rubbish. I bought one a couple of years ago, managed 10 marines and I could never get it to work again.

Hopefully someone has a solution for you though.

You can try shooting a solvent (cellulose thinner or something similar) through it to remove gunked up paint (the most likely culprit). However, as the construction is mostly plastic, you are likely to destroy the spraygun in the process. It is not designed with either reliability or practicality in mind.

I'm afraid the solution is to replace it. Badger do some cheap siphon-feed airbrushes which are basically identical, but a bit better made.

You really are better off spending the cash on a proper set up.

I guess it'll have to be a replace job. The thing isn't drawing from the reservoir anymore. Not even water. Fraking thing. All I want to do is base coat. Aaahh.

Hmm, isn't the GW flame thrower a single action external mix airbrush? The air rushing past the reservoir sucks paint into the flow. Granted, nowhere near as fine paint blobs as with an internal mix brush.

My point isn't to knock the GW brush, which appears to me optimized for not clogging rather than fine paint blob delivery appropriate to the small size models GW sells.

Is the paint container in the right position relative to the airstream? Is the airstream going dead straight ahead, or is it being deflected by a bent part?

I recall that the tip can be adjusted to give some control flow by twisting it. Have you checked this?

Stephanius wrote:Hmm, isn't the GW flame thrower a single action external mix airbrush? The air rushing past the reservoir sucks paint into the flow. Granted, nowhere near as fine paint blobs as with an internal mix brush.

My point isn't to knock the GW brush, which appears to me optimized for not clogging rather than fine paint blob delivery appropriate to the small size models GW sells.

Is the paint container in the right position relative to the airstream? Is the airstream going dead straight ahead, or is it being deflected by a bent part?

Yes, I mean, you can only fit the paint bottle in to the gun one way. I've used it before, it just seems that, for whatever reason, the gun isn't picking up the paint.

cadbren wrote:I recall that the tip can be adjusted to give some control flow by twisting it. Have you checked this?

Yes.

Only thing I can think of from experience is the nozzle is screwed on too tight so the pin is fully blocking the hole (I did this after cleaning mine for the first time).
If not check that there is actually air coming through the system and that it's not a kink in the hose that's crippling you.

Did you at least feel like a badass cool kid because it looks like a handflamer?

If yes then this is still a victory for you.

Is the bottle clogged? Specifically, the little hole in the cap that allows air in.

Sounds like the nozzle is blocked. I know you say you cleaned it.... but how thoroughly? does it actually break down into pieces for maintenance like all the other airbrushes out there?
(I dont know if it does cus i took one look and laughed at it loudly in the shop,and ripped the sales pitch to shreds! kinda embarrassed the sales staff trying to make it sound good)

... they didnt really price it to the market for paint spraying tools... you can get a good airbrush ten times the quality and usefull-ness for less investment. Genuinely the things not even worth £5 brand new.

Also, just to be clear....there is not "hate" for this thing.
Nor are the negative comments because its a gw product.

The basic fact is that it is a type of airbrush, and in he airbrush hierarchy of things, its the least capable, and ironically not easier to use than more capable models.

I have used a single action external mix airbrush before (what this is) and to be honest, was very happy with it (they cost about $8 from most stores). I used it to base coat minis, and throw paint on terrain.

Now, in using it, although I did not realize it at the time, while it was a simple brush, I was actually working harder to do things with it than I would have a more capable airbrush.

For example, because I did not have fine control over paint volume or to a lesser degree pressure (it has a more narrow operation range than an internal mix airbrush) it took quite a bit of manual dexterity to not give too much coverage to models with complex shapes or undercuts - tasks that are trivial to other more full featured airbrushes.

However, what most people have a great deal of passion about - is not that it is a bad airbrush (it is fully functional brush in its feature category) but that more advanced brushes give much more capability so easily.

When I got my first "real" (i.e. dual action internal mix) airbrush - it was not even a good one - a $20 brush from the hardware store.....but it was like going from stone knives and bearskins to a laser scalpel and xray. I was stunned at the greater capability - and kicked myself for not upgrading long before.

If you like that brush ...thats great.
But if you like the hobby, you deserve that amazing leap in capability that you will get in even a minor upgrade.

There are literally dozens upon dozens of threads on picking an airbrush.....check some of them out.

You and your models are worth it.

davethepak wrote:
Also, just to be clear....there is not "hate" for this thing.
Nor are the negative comments because its a gw product.

The basic fact is that it is a type of airbrush, and in he airbrush hierarchy of things, its the least capable, and ironically not easier to use than more capable models.

I have used a single action external mix airbrush before (what this is) and to be honest, was very happy with it (they cost about $8 from most stores). I used it to base coat minis, and throw paint on terrain.

Now, in using it, although I did not realize it at the time, while it was a simple brush, I was actually working harder to do things with it than I would have a more capable airbrush.

For example, because I did not have fine control over paint volume or to a lesser degree pressure (it has a more narrow operation range than an internal mix airbrush) it took quite a bit of manual dexterity to not give too much coverage to models with complex shapes or undercuts - tasks that are trivial to other more full featured airbrushes.

However, what most people have a great deal of passion about - is not that it is a bad airbrush (it is fully functional brush in its feature category) but that more advanced brushes give much more capability so easily.

When I got my first "real" (i.e. dual action internal mix) airbrush - it was not even a good one - a $20 brush from the hardware store.....but it was like going from stone knives and bearskins to a laser scalpel and xray. I was stunned at the greater capability - and kicked myself for not upgrading long before.

If you like that brush ...thats great.
But if you like the hobby, you deserve that amazing leap in capability that you will get in even a minor upgrade.

There are literally dozens upon dozens of threads on picking an airbrush.....check some of them out.

You and your models are worth it.

Yes but what about the cool hand flamer design and the fact that it's an official citadel product? do these things mean nothing to you?

(sorry i had to)

kb305 wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Also, just to be clear....there is not "hate" for this thing.
Nor are the negative comments because its a gw product.

The basic fact is that it is a type of airbrush, and in he airbrush hierarchy of things, its the least capable, and ironically not easier to use than more capable models.

I have used a single action external mix airbrush before (what this is) and to be honest, was very happy with it (they cost about $8 from most stores). I used it to base coat minis, and throw paint on terrain.

Now, in using it, although I did not realize it at the time, while it was a simple brush, I was actually working harder to do things with it than I would have a more capable airbrush.

For example, because I did not have fine control over paint volume or to a lesser degree pressure (it has a more narrow operation range than an internal mix airbrush) it took quite a bit of manual dexterity to not give too much coverage to models with complex shapes or undercuts - tasks that are trivial to other more full featured airbrushes.

However, what most people have a great deal of passion about - is not that it is a bad airbrush (it is fully functional brush in its feature category) but that more advanced brushes give much more capability so easily.

When I got my first "real" (i.e. dual action internal mix) airbrush - it was not even a good one - a $20 brush from the hardware store.....but it was like going from stone knives and bearskins to a laser scalpel and xray. I was stunned at the greater capability - and kicked myself for not upgrading long before.

If you like that brush ...thats great.
But if you like the hobby, you deserve that amazing leap in capability that you will get in even a minor upgrade.

There are literally dozens upon dozens of threads on picking an airbrush.....check some of them out.

You and your models are worth it.

Yes but what about the cool hand flamer design and the fact that it's an official citadel product? do these things mean nothing to you?

(sorry i had to)

Of course!

I have one that I run napalm through as a fire starter for my BBQ, what else would you use a flamer for!

Well, I took it to Games Workshop, and they couldn't figure it out, so they just gave me a new one for free. I got the impression that they've done that a few times.