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Hello Dakka generals!

Lets suppose we have to decide between these two options:

a. 3 centurion devastators, all with grav cannons and grav amps - 250 pts

b. 5 bikes as a command squad, all with grav guns and apothecary (suppose we can take 5 gravs and the apothecary upgrade) - 225 pts


What would you choose?
The number of shots and possible range is equal (30") but the centurions have better armor and re-roll to wound, while bikes have better mobily and jink save

I would prefer to have arguments without taking into consideration chapter tactis etc. Obviously in a white scars army bikes would be better

Um, I run both... in the same list. So how should I vote?

Tell us your experience!

Last game: scouted forward 2 5 man bike squads and my command squad. Shot up paladins, deleted some more GK termies, ravaged fodder troops... then dropped in the Cents and killed a Primarch and a 30k bike squad.

I should note that I don't optimize and gave my command squad LC and SS too. They mauled a 30k 10man NightLord Reaver squad and set up Konrad for a focus fire death from the Cents.

Edit: was a 5k per side team match... hardly a typical experience. But we basically tabled them (4 models left) by turn 4 and my bikes and Centurions did most of the work (teammate Orks held two objectives and killed two glorified tactical marines and a techmarine).

(suppose we can take 5 gravs and the apothecary upgrade)

Apothecary no longer being vet. can they take gravs?
(this still hasn't been resolved has it?

Iv done the command squad. it work great with a captain on a bike to tank small arms fire. they also having access to melta bombs makes them far more useful.

erased a 5man squad of term in 1 go, glanced the flying DA landraiderspeeder to death, blew up 2 ghost arks and glanced a 3rd in a multi charge.

Depends, if you favor maneuverability and speed over pouring out shot after shot, then go wth the GG CS. I prefer to have lots of shots, so the Grav Cents are in: in fact they, in a single round of shooting, killed the Swarmlord and 2 Tyrant Guard in woods.

This choice is incredibly dependent on the list being played. The grav cents are pretty mediocre without a stormraven or scout move to guarantee positioning.

The command squad is very fragile without a tanking character. It also does less damage than the cents as the reroll to wound/armour pen really increases damage.

In a blind contest I would say command squad as the models look good and can be used in regular bike squads.