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Gun Emplacements can be shot at as if an enemy unit. Does this mean that they can be affected by psychic powers such as Psychic Shriek, that require leadership values?
Things that don't have a value in their characteristics are treated as being 0.

Seems logical. I don't think you'd be able to use Maledictions on it as you're only given dispensation to shoot at it and attack it in combat, but a Witchfire counts as an Assault weapon, so they'd affect it I'd say.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

Things that don't have a value in their characteristics are treated as being 0.

They can be shot at yes and would be effected by witchfires. However I'm not sure where you're getting the above from?

 FlingitNow wrote:
They can be shot at yes and would be effected by witchfires. However I'm not sure where you're getting the above from?

Page 3, Zero Level Characteristics includes "-" as equal to "0".

So then this means that, unless the GE somehow benefits from an invuln, Psychic Shriek will kill it if the test is passed (generating a minimum of 3 wounds against Ld0).

Next question: Do GEs get a DtW?

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Page 3, Zero Level Characteristics includes "-" as equal to "0".

Where does it say a Gun Emplacement's LD is "-"?

If I am remembering properly I would advise looking in the Debris section of the Terrain rules in order to find a near complete profile. While I do remember it lacks a unit type, mostly because that prevents it from being an official model, I think everything else is still present in this profile. Of course most of the entries on the profile are nothing but -, including the leadership, but I do remember seeing this information in the Rule book somewhere. Sorry for not being at the Library or I would verify this information and give you an exact page number for these details.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Where does it say a Gun Emplacement's LD is "-"?

Page 105, the stat-line for Gun Emplacements.

So Psychic Shriek is a gauranteed oneshot against gun emplacements? Interesting. Can't possibly be RAI, but it seems RAW.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
So Psychic Shriek is a gauranteed oneshot against gun emplacements? Interesting. Can't possibly be RAI, but it seems RAW.

Not guaranteed, but on the Psyker's Ld10, it's pretty likely.

But my next question is still unanswered: Does the GE get a DtW?

RAW it doesn't look like it does, since it's not an 'enemy unit'. HIWPI yes, otherwise your opponent is going to feel completely left out as you wipe the floor with his gun emplacement, throw him a crumb!

If it doesn't count as an enemy unit while you're firing at it, not getting Deny the Witch is the least of your problems...

What about Doom Of Malantai's Life Leech bubble?

Its not a shooting attack, but it targets all enemy non-vehicle models within 6"

It's that age old case of it not technically being a shooting attack, but it needs to be in order to allocate wounds...

 Bloodhorror wrote:
What about Doom Of Malantai's Life Leech bubble?

Its not a shooting attack, but it targets all enemy non-vehicle models within 6"

It's that age old case of it not technically being a shooting attack, but it needs to be in order to allocate wounds...

The gun emplacement is not a model, it is terrain.

Always forget that part...

But it has a statline and you can shoot it, does that do anything?


You can't usually shoot terrain or assault it either...

HIWPI - yes to DtW, no Doom leech. Vehicles are allowed DtW when targeted by psy powers.


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 Bloodhorror wrote:
Always forget that part...

But it has a statline and you can shoot it, does that do anything?


You can't usually shoot terrain or assault it either...

Correct except it has specific exceptions allowing it to be assaulted and shot.

fething hate Terrain/Not Model Models...

 Quanar wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Where does it say a Gun Emplacement's LD is "-"?

Page 105, the stat-line for Gun Emplacements.

Thank you misremembered it as a partial statline. Then yes pass psychic test and remove emplacement.

having permission to be shot would grant permissions to use a psycic shooting attack but I do not think Maledictions will work as it is not considered an enemy model.

by not being considered an enemy model it cannot be targetted to begin with no?