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Huhu everyone,

I am fairly new to the hobby and would really appreciate some help with my list. I have been thinking about how to build this list for a while, but get stuck what to do with the last ~500 Points. As I am not that experienced I thaught I'd give this a try. Pls feel free to post any criticism or thoughts about how to improve the list, it'll be very appreciated:

Grey Knights 2000 Points

HQ: Draigo 275 Points

Elite: Vindicare Assassin 145 Points

Troops: 10 x Paladin (4xPsycannons,2xHammer,8x Halberd,Banner, Psybolt) 675 Points

10 x GKSS (2x Psycannon, 2x Hammer) in Rhino 280 Points

Fast Attack: Stormraven (LC,MM) 205 Points

Heavy Support: 3 x Psyfleman 405 Points

Which should equal about 1995 Points.

The idea behind the list is following: I really like the Idea of an small elite squad and I like the Draigo modell. The problem I have is completing the army. So the 10 Paladins and Draigo form the Deathstar, I didn't want to take more paladins as I feel I need more bodys on the field. The assassin is obviously there to blow something bigger up then he is worth in points, where as the Stormraven is planned for Antiair or AT. The Psyfleman should sit back and snipe out any monstrous creature, walkers, tanks or high toughness targets. Here I had actually planned to drop one dreadnought, for a Dreadknight, but I just couldn't fit him in due to points. I have also thaught of adding in a Techmarine as grenade dispenser or Corteaz with the deathstar, but can't figure out what to drop. I am open to any suggestions or improvements, except inquisitorial figures as I want a pure gk army. Thanks for any help in advance!

I would drop the vindicare and the strikes and one dread. Put in a Libby, solodins and a dreadknight.

Why? The assassin is to vulnerable to be honest. Some games I find him really good. But a savvy opponent will not let him take a shot. Libby is really good for buffing the death star. I prefer Coteaz but you say no inquisition.

Taking 2-3 solo paladins instead of the strikes will Firstly save points to fit on that dread knight. But they are also real good objective takers. Hold them back and deep strike.

Finally. Psyfleman are still good but a dreadknight is so amazing. Teleporter into your opponents back field and create a distraction that if left alone can play havoc in the opponents deployment.

Just my 2c

Allright I'll be dropping the assassin and the dread, as you make a good point about the survivability of the assassin and the dreadknight. I just had the mini for the assassin, and tryed to squeeze him in, but I see there is no point really, if there a better options like Coteaz. Btw. I have no problem fielding Coteaz, just don't like the henchman warbands.

Tbh I have never thaught about deepstrike solodins, but I see the point you are making. I just thaught I'd try to field as many bodys as possible. I'll give em try and see how they hold.

Btw. in my meta I have 1 or 2 necron flyer lists, I haven't played yet and wouldn't a pure paladin deathstar just get ripped to pieces by Str 10 Ap1 beams? Any tipps on how to keep them alive?

Cheers mate for your advice and time, it helped a lot!


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So the new list would look like following:

Grey Knights 2000 Points

HQ: Draigo 275 Points
Coteaz 100 Points

Troops: 10 x Paladin (4xPsycannons,2xHammer,8x Halberd,Banner, Psybolt) 675 Points

2 x 2 Paladins ( 4x halberds) 220 Points

Fast Attack: Stormraven (LC,MM) 205 Points

Heavy Support: 2 x Psyfleman 270 Points
1 x NDK (Teleporter, Incinerator) 235 Points

Which would leave me 20 Points. Im thinking of taking the LC of the Raven and giving him AC with Psybolt, or removing one paladin for an apothecary?

I would add two more hammers to your paladins, just to give them some more support if they get assaulted by 2+ saves. Pallys unfortunately fold like a wet paper towel to a group of terminators with PFists or TH/SS so they need that extra oomph to help combat that imo. Also note the banner replaces a nemesis force weapon so you'd have to lose a halberd to take it, so consider that.

If you're taking a whole 10 man blob, an apothecary would be a good investment and let dragio tank wounds with FNP.

I feel the solo paladins should actually be solo, no reason to take two of them. Instead, you could take some henchmen with the extra 130 points you'd have left for backfield objective holders. You do have Coteaz after all.

Edit: Assault cannon/MM/Hurricane/Psybolt really is the only way to run the Stormraven I feel, gives you a lot of killing power against any target.. Paying 205 points for a single las and melta shot, with some dinky frag missiles(GK missile, /sadness), isn't really an efficient buy imo.

Tbh I have not yet played against a lot of TH/SS Terminators, and therefore haven't taken that reall tinto account. I guess it won't be a problem to squeeze some more hammer in, with them being free. I'll correct the number of Halberds, forgot all about the banner taking up a slot.

I'm still not quite sold on the apothecary, but I'll give him a try and see how well he does.

I have thaught of swapping the LC with the AC, as I can't remember where, but I read some math about, the AC with Psybolt being better then the LC and If I have taken psybolts, I guess it would be to bad putting the hurricanbolters on.

So the new revised List would look like following at the mom:

Grey Knights 2000 Points

HQ: Draigo 275 Points
Coteaz 100 Points

Troops: 10 x Paladin (4xPsycannons,4xHammer,5x Halberd,Banner, Psybolt, Apothecary) 750 Points

2x Paladins ( 2x halberds) 110 Points

Fast Attack: Stormraven (AC,MM, Hurrican, Psybolt) 255 Points

Heavy Support: 2 x Psyfleman 270 Points
1 x NDK (Teleporter, Incinerator) 235 Points

Equalling 1995 Points.
I left the henchman out, as I feel 7 Henchmann arn't worth dropping the 2 solodins?
Btw. thanks for your time.

I had 5 pallies get charges but 5 th/ss termies + Captain before. Draigo was stuck in a challenge with the regular termie sergeant, and was stuck for 4 combat turns, I hate how draigo does not have AP2, its the titan sword for crying out loud.

Anyway, my normal guys struck first and got lucky killing 2 termies, then the 2 left + captain killed all my paladins, but, my 8 hammer attacks striking back killed the rest of the squad.

So yes, th/ss will kill pallys pretty quick, but they should both be able to wipe each other out.