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Hi.
A few last days, while surfing the web, I was unsuccessful if finding an answer to this question, so I thought - hey, maybe someone at 2xdakka knows.
So here it is - I'm pretty much convinced by now that you can't hit FMCs with Jaws (can't snap shot it. And only snap shots can HIT it). But what if you shot something else and the line ends up "touching" (RAW) the FMCs? It is clear that this imaginary line is there for a sole purpose of explaining how this power works. It's not a cycle or a square, it's a line (not a beam). Jaws is not a beam (FAQ). So anything that touches this line is not hit but instead affected by psychic power. Call it area of effect. So hence is the question - can it affect FMCs if FMCs wasn't the target of the jaws?

Nope cant hit em

 Formosa wrote:
Nope cant hit em

This, but becuase of the wording of JOTWW, not becuase of snap shots etc. JOTWW tells you what the beam hits, MC's are in there but FMC's are not. If you would like to search it, there have been discussions on the classification of MC's and FMC's, and why FMC is not a subset of MC.

 Nem wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Nope cant hit em

This, but becuase of the wording of JOTWW, not becuase of snap shots etc. JOTWW tells you what the beam hits, MC's are in there but FMC's are not. If you would like to search it, there have been discussions on the classification of MC's and FMC's, and why FMC is not a subset of MC.

Exactly. RAW jaws cant hit FMC.

We play it that a grounded FMC can be hit. But that is a house rule.

 Mywik wrote:

 Nem wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Nope cant hit em

This, but becuase of the wording of JOTWW, not becuase of snap shots etc. JOTWW tells you what the beam hits, MC's are in there but FMC's are not. If you would like to search it, there have been discussions on the classification of MC's and FMC's, and why FMC is not a subset of MC.

Exactly. RAW jaws cant hit FMC.

We play it that a grounded FMC can be hit. But that is a house rule.

Yep so do we, we also let guard orders zap it, though I think thefaq has sorted that

 Formosa wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

 Nem wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Nope cant hit em

This, but becuase of the wording of JOTWW, not becuase of snap shots etc. JOTWW tells you what the beam hits, MC's are in there but FMC's are not. If you would like to search it, there have been discussions on the classification of MC's and FMC's, and why FMC is not a subset of MC.

Exactly. RAW jaws cant hit FMC.

We play it that a grounded FMC can be hit. But that is a house rule.

Yep so do we, we also let guard orders zap it, though I think thefaq has sorted that

Which faq do you refer to?

 Mywik wrote:
Which faq do you refer to?

Most likely the IG FAQ page 2:

Page 30 – Company Command Squad, Bring it Down!
Change the first sentence of the second paragraph to: “If the
order is successfully issued, choose one enemy vehicle (or
squadron of vehicles) or monstrous creature (or unit of
monstrous creatures) or flying monstrous creature (or unit of
flying monstrous creatures) visible to the officer”.

I can't wait to see what "unit of FMCs" will someday be released. Terrifying!

If the FMC is grounded it's treated as though it's in glide mode, and I believe that means targeted and assaultable as any normal unit.

 disdamn wrote:
If the FMC is grounded it's treated as though it's in glide mode, and I believe that means targeted and assaultable as any normal unit.

This has no bearing on JotWW from a RAW perspective since it does not work against FMC. A grounded FMC is still a FMC and not a MC.

As already pointed out letting grounded FMC be affected by JotWW is a houserule. In my area its a common one ... but ask your Opponent/TO before the game about it.

My book is at home but if the rules say that a gliding FMC counts as a jump MC then I say Jaws can hit it. As in almost every example I can think of, treats as = is, then jaws can hit.

FMC has its own entry in the BRB, MC has another different entry in the BRB.

MarkyMark wrote:
FMC has its own entry in the BRB, MC has another different entry in the BRB.

Yes and how does that deal with FMC rules saying they count as MCs in certain situations?

Certain situations, yes. Is "for the purposes of being affected by psychic powers" one of those situations?

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Certain situations, yes. Is "for the purposes of being affected by psychic powers" one of those situations?

You mean shooting attacks?

 liturgies of blood wrote:
My book is at home but if the rules say that a gliding FMC counts as a jump MC then I say Jaws can hit it. As in almost every example I can think of, treats as = is, then jaws can hit.

The rules say that a gliding FMC moves like jump MCs. Not that they are tested as such.

Yeah treat as is always followed up by a specific action type, or rules section etc, sometimes we're left to guess based on the surrounding circumstances and 'is' for the limits of the action type, purposes etc.

In this case, it is treated as jump MC for the purposes of it's movement, and movement only

That's fine I couldn't remember exactly and wasn't hearing anything back but "It's not a MC".

It's back to status quo of jaws being good but not amazing.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
That's fine I couldn't remember exactly and wasn't hearing anything back but "It's not a MC".

It's back to status quo of jaws being good but not amazing.

Its still amazing. Sorry, but not being able to target FMC doesn't downgrade it THAT much.

Jump infantry are a separate category just like FMCs.

Not quite.
Jump Infantry used to be a separate unit type in 5th edition. In 6th edition 'Jump' is now just something that gets appended to another unit type. It's not a unit type in itself.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Jump infantry are a separate category just like FMCs.

Jump infantry are still infantry.

Arson Fire wrote:
Not quite.
Jump Infantry used to be a separate unit type in 5th edition. In 6th edition 'Jump' is now just something that gets appended to another unit type. It's not a unit type in itself.

I've always treated it as it's own unit type where Jump Infantry as both Jump and Infantry. Works out the same for this topic but could be a subtle difference for other rule purposes.