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So I've started to lean more toward ravenwing as the deathwing simply aren't performing on their ow how I'd like them to. Here is the new list I'm thinking of using. Eventually I'd like to fill out the black knight squad but for the meantime I have to work with what models I actually have.

HQ:
Sammael on jetbike
Librarian in terminator armor lvl 1
Deathwing Command squad x5 1x champion, 4x TH/SS, 1x banner of devestation.

Elites:
Deathwing knights x7

Troops:
RASx6 2x melta gun, AB MM, Land speeder typhoon
RASx6 2x plasma gun
RASx6 2x plasma gun

Fast: Ravewing black knights x3, 1x grenade launcher.

Heavy: Land Raider standard w/ multi melta/deathwing vehicle

The idea would be this, the land raider moves with the command squad giving off the dakka banner while the land raider turbo boosts to get where it can, between the land raider armor and the 4x storm shields it will present a pretty hard to crack target with the banner in the back of the squad. The 21 bikes move into position, and fire taking full advantage of the dakka banner, then the deathwing knights burst onto the scene by deep strike with the librarian who casts prescience on them, making their assualt able to kill nearly anything that the grenade launcher has fired at. Anyway, let me know what you guys think.

drop the DWK. take a 5 man DW term squad w/ a plasma cannon. use the extra points left to take a 5 man squad (prefreably six) of black knights.

just my 2 cents.

(also, imo melta works better for me on the bikes, since, ya know, armor XD)

I think you severely underestimate the deathwing knights from a lot of your posts Raiden. Maybe you've had bad experience with them, but in my experience a 7 man squad can kill pretty much anything you need it to that isn't flying.

I am not saying they don't do well. but your LR goes to your command sqaud whish is already a CC unit. I can tell you, if you DS those knights in. I will 1, run from them and shoot. 2. feed you worthless units if I can't get away. but then again I know what they can do. I just like the normal terms lol.

 raiden wrote:
I am not saying they don't do well. but your LR goes to your command sqaud whish is already a CC unit. I can tell you, if you DS those knights in. I will 1, run from them and shoot. 2. feed you worthless units if I can't get away. but then again I know what they can do. I just like the normal terms lol.

Personally I hate the normal terminators, generally when people see a list with deathwing they are hidden away in terrain on turn 1, and usually that standard term squad even with twin-linked will fail to get me those first turn results. I am actually counting on people to run from them, running right into the land raider with the command squad. They're less a close combat unit as they are a dedicated stay alive unit. If the land raider pops then they stand strong where I need the fire directed from., in the midst of the ravenwing. The deathwing knights are used to route the enemy closer to the 50+shots then be assualted by the bikes.

when I run mixwing I rarely DWA turn 1. :3

HQ:
Sammael on jetbike
Librarian in terminator armor lvl 1
Deathwing Command squad x5 1x champion, 4x TH/SS, 1x banner of devestation.
Ravenwing Command squad x5 1x grenade launcher, 1x ravenwing company banner

Elites:
Deathwing Knights x6

Troop:
Ravenwing attack squadron x6 2x meltagun, attack bike w/ MM, Land Speeder Typhoon
Ravenwing attack squadron x6 2x meltagun,
Ravenwing attack squadron x5 2x meltagun

Heavy:
Land Raider Crusader

This puts me at 1997 and it uses models I actually have with minimal proxying. The deathwing command squad goes in the crusader, and in the event the crusader pops it will be difficult to bring down the terminators, giving my dakka pole max survivability. Anyway, tell me what you guys think.