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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/02 19:55:40
Subject: Eldar 1499 S6 goodness, no wave serpents, what am I missing?
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Angry Chaos Agitator
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1499pts
HQ
• Farseer, Uldanorethi Long Rifle
• Maugan Ra
Elites
• 4x Harlequins with 1x Harlequin's Kiss, Death Jester, Shadowseer with 1x Harlequin's Kiss
Troops
• 3x Windrider Jetbikes with 1x Shuriken Cannon
• 3x Windrider Jetbikes with 1x Shuriken Cannon
• 3x Windrider Jetbikes with 1x Shuriken Cannon
Fast Attack
• 4x Warp Spiders, Exarch with Fast Shot, Marksman's Eye, Spinneret Rifle
• 4x Warp Spiders, Exarch with Fast Shot, Marksman's Eye, Spinneret Rifle
• 4x Warp Spiders, Exarch with Fast Shot, Marksman's Eye, Spinneret Rifle
Heavy Support
• Fire Prism, Holo-fields
• Fire Prism, Holo-fields
• Fire Prism, Holo-fields
Farseer and Maugan Ra both go in the harlies unit, giving buffs to themselves and maybe to the Prisms and unloading the Uldanorethi, the Shrieker, and the Maugetar at range with splitfire. The Shadowseer prevents anyone from shooting at them at range. The Windriders are reserved and then hiding, the warp spiders deep strike to get rear armour/behind the aegis, etc. and then stay on the move. Prisms move around to keep up their 4+ cover and keep shooting lanes lined up, and unload at range. The only 'anti tank' I have really is the Fire Prisms. What do you think I am missing here? Almost everything is pumping out S6 or better shots, it has a backfield of ranged firepower, and a forward element to get rear armour/contest objectives/harass, and very mobile troops for late game grabs. Also, in 2 of the 6 game missions, I have 3 extra scoring units. Am I too light on troops? What would you do to make this list better?
A side note, I own literally zero of these models. My wife plays a all Wraith army, and I am going to proxy this one against her to see if I can prove that high T, slow moving badassery isn't always the only option. Then maybe she will try out some of the other Eldar units.
Edit: A sample of her units:
4+ Spiritseers
Avatar
occasionally a Farseer
5 to 10 man units of wraithguard (some d-scythes, some wraith cannons)
5 to 10 man units of wraithblades (usually ghost axes)
Wave serpents for whoever wants 'em.
2 or 3 Wraithlords, usually packing Brightlance/Starcannon or Brightlance/Scatter laser
2 or 3 War Walkers with double Scatter lasers
She rarely takes any fortifications, and never any flyers or wraithknights. Most of the time it ends up with me fighting wave serpents all day, but every time you kill one, instead of a prize in the cracker jack box, its full of death. with 1 or 2 Spirit Seers per Wraithguard/blade unit, they usually have Protect (2+ armour saves for her T6 models) Quicken (+3 run inches), and often Voice of Twilight (battle focus for wraith units). She usually outflanks the walkers to get side/rear or get behind walls/fortifications and chew through whoever is left by the time they come in. She tables me by turn 4 about 50% of the time. :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/02 20:34:16
Subject: Eldar 1499 S6 goodness, no wave serpents, what am I missing?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Making a hard counter list to support your arguement against your wife? Hope you like the couch...
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Farseer Faenyin
7,100 pts Yme-Loc Eldar(Apoc Included) / 5,700 pts (Non-Apoc)
Record for 6th Edition- Eldar: 25-4-2
Record for 7th Edition -
Eldar: 0-0-0 (Yes, I feel it is that bad)
Battlefleet Gothic: 2,750 pts of Craftworld Eldar
X-wing(Focusing on Imperials): CR90, 6 TIE Fighters, 4 TIE Interceptors, TIE Bomber, TIE Advanced, 4 X-wings, 3 A-wings, 3 B-wings, Y-wing, Z-95
Battletech: Battlion and Command Lance of 3025 Mechs(painted as 21st Rim Worlds) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/02 20:35:29
Subject: Re:Eldar 1499 S6 goodness, no wave serpents, what am I missing?
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Angry Chaos Agitator
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lol
She has won literally 50 out of the last 60 games or so. I have to do something!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/02 20:42:02
Subject: Eldar 1499 S6 goodness, no wave serpents, what am I missing?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
Grand Rapids Metro
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Why don't you just nuke her with Guardian blobs?
Add in the avatar and all that bladestorm + 2x starcannons per squad will do nicely.
Or take 1-2 hunters with starcannons.
Wraith will disintegrate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/03 00:14:09
Subject: Eldar 1499 S6 goodness, no wave serpents, what am I missing?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Why not just take a DE list and laugh? Or a Tau army and blow her away? Eldar on Eldar must be pretty dull. Or take a properly competitive Eldar list rather than this sort of mess. You're claiming S6 spam but this really isn't that. For S6 spam I was expecting 30 Warp Spiders, 9 War walkers, SL+ShuriCannon Serpents etc.
Something like this is S6 spam:
Farseer: jet bike, Mantle 155
5 DA: Serpent: HF, SL, ShC 210
5 DA: Serpent: HF, SL, ShC 210
10 Warp Spiders 190
9 Warp Spiders 171
9 Warp Spiders 171
3 War walkers: SL+ShC 195
3 War walkers: SL+ShC 195
That list has 112 S6 shots which you can twin link nearly all of between laser lock Guide & Prescience. Compare with the 47 S6 shots your list has. It also has potentially 70 S7 shots against Vehicles. Granted this list has literally no way to deal with AV14. But if S6 spam is what you want for a more rounded all comers list you switch it to double BL war walkers dropping a Warp Spider and a ShC from a Serpent. Perhaps splitting into 3 units of 2, giving one unit SL and Starcannon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/03 14:06:38
Subject: Re:Eldar 1499 S6 goodness, no wave serpents, what am I missing?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
PA Unitied States
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In a way I must agree with flingitnow. not sure what list your taking against her but in my experience wraith lists aren't that hard to beat. They are very similar to grey knights, too few models. Most compettive marine lists are able to deal with wraiths as well.
the list you propose may not do any better.
What do you normally run?
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22 yrs in the hobby
:Eldar: 10K+ pts, 2500 pts
1850 pts
Vampire Counts 4000+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/03 14:14:43
Subject: Eldar 1499 S6 goodness, no wave serpents, what am I missing?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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well, scince there has really been no actaual advise to the lsit poasted.... the longrifle is not worth it. i would drop the exarch on the spdiers for anotehr guy. I would also take out the harlie unit and buff characters because agaisnt wraith it isnt worth it. In its place i would add a mantle sear, and maybe some waveserpents
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I do drugs.
Mostly Plastic Crack, but I do dabble in Cardboard Cocaine. |
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