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Looking at trying out a competitive nids list and was wondering if either of these would work out decently in dakkas opinion.

HQ:
255 Hive Tyrant w/ Wings, Hive Commander
85 Tyranid Prime w/ Death spitter
Troops:
200 Tervigon w/ Catalyst, Dominion, Toxin Sacks
200 Tervigon w/ Catalyst, Dominion, Toxin Sacks
200 Tervigon w/ Catalyst, Dominion, Toxin Sacks
50 10x Termagaunt
50 10x Termagaunt
50 10x Termagaunt
355 9x Warriors w/ Death Spitter, Mycetic spore
352 18x Genestealers w/ Broodlord, Toxin Sacks

Elites:
130 Doom of Malantai w/ Mycetic Spore
160 2x Zoanthrope Brood w. Mycetic Spore

or

HQ:
255 Hive Tyrant w/ Wings, Hive Commander

Troops:
200 Tervigon w/ Catalyst, Dominion, Toxin Sacks
200 Tervigon w/ Catalyst, Dominion, Toxin Sacks
50 10x Termagaunt
50 10x Termagaunt
355 9x Warriors w/ dual scything talons, toxin sacks, Mycetic spore
386 20x Genestealers w/ Broodlord, Toxin Sacks

Fast Attack:
98 14x Gargoyles w/ Toxin Sacks

Elites:
130 Doom of Malantai w/ Mycetic Spore
160 2x Zoanthrope Brood w. Mycetic Spore
110 2x Venomthrope brood

Goal either way is to keep my hive tyrant alive at least past turn 1. May even have to go hide him behind a wall or something. Infiltrate my stealers into some type of area tearrain and then as soon as the shooting starts have them go to ground of course just so the hive tyrant can get over to them and pick them up next turn. Hopefully with hive commander most of my stuff will arrive turn 2. I'm guessing between the Gargoyles Genestealers and mamas walking forward people will have to pick and choose on what they want to gun down first before the wave of pods comes in. If I ran the first list I would try to drop the warriors close enough to the prime so that he could join them for the buffed shooting. Until then he would just hang out with a squad of gaunts. I don't have any biovore models or I would probably run them instead since I know they are great character snipers. Thoughts dakka?

Bin the genestealers, they are just not worth that points cost. Take 9 biovores for the same price and see how much better they do for you.

Warriors I would give a shooting attack to so they can do something on the turn they drop. A less than optimal unit, but they can work in a target saturation scenario.

Tervigons, take AG so the gants get S4 on the charge and can harm vehicles. Lose dominion - you only cast one power a turn and that will always be catalyst.

I'm assuming the OP has listed two psychic powers so the Tervigons can roll for two, which is a valid approach.

Agree with the comment re genestealers, though. We often field ymgarl, which do much the same job and can assault the turn they appear. However, again, the OP is suggesting a valid strategy, infiltration is the only way you can run stealers these days.

Genestealers are just no good ATM. Lose the Prime and the warriors. Get Swarmlord for backfield control or another Flyrant. Add in Hive Guard or a Trygon.

I would disagree with most of the feedback so far.

My major change would be this: Take at least 3 Flyrants. All with Dual devouerers. At this point you're looking at ~780 points.

Take 2 units of 10 strong gant units and 1 gant unit of 30.
You then can take your 3 Tervigons. Now you're sitting @ 1630 points used.

Add a Tyranid Prime at base cost...Maybe kit him out....whatever you wanna do. I think a kitted one is ~110 points (LW/BS, poison, Regen, devourer) and now you're at 1740.

Take a MSU unit of Genestealers (if you wanna use the trick you eluded to, which by the way works AWESOME, just make sure you have endurance on them) for 138 points. This totals you @1878. If you wanna still take Doom and 2 Zoans in a pod, I would advise against the genestealer though because you can't do it with the points.

I think that you'd be much more competitive with my suggestions. 3 Flyrants will be rough on any opponent.

FYI, in case you're wondering "why the Tyranid Prime?" It's because you can make him warlord, play aggressively with your Flyrants (if you want) and if you play smart with your warlord (i.e. endurance + cover saves) your warlord will be nearly impossible to kill.

roxor08 wrote:
I would disagree with most of the feedback so far.

My major change would be this: Take at least 3 Flyrants. All with Dual devouerers. At this point you're looking at ~780 points.

Take 2 units of 10 strong gant units and 1 gant unit of 30.
You then can take your 3 Tervigons. Now you're sitting @ 1630 points used.

Add a Tyranid Prime at base cost...Maybe kit him out....whatever you wanna do. I think a kitted one is ~110 points (LW/BS, poison, Regen, devourer) and now you're at 1740.

Take a MSU unit of Genestealers (if you wanna use the trick you eluded to, which by the way works AWESOME, just make sure you have endurance on them) for 138 points. This totals you @1878. If you wanna still take Doom and 2 Zoans in a pod, I would advise against the genestealer though because you can't do it with the points.

I think that you'd be much more competitive with my suggestions. 3 Flyrants will be rough on any opponent.

FYI, in case you're wondering "why the Tyranid Prime?" It's because you can make him warlord, play aggressively with your Flyrants (if you want) and if you play smart with your warlord (i.e. endurance + cover saves) your warlord will be nearly impossible to kill.

^This.


EDIT:

I think you might like this list I threw together for you:

HQ- 835
Flyrant 2 x BLW 260
Flyrant 2 x BLW 260
Flyrant 2 x BLW 260
[WARLORD]Prime Dual BS, TS, Regen, DS 115

Elites- 240
Doom, Spod 130
(2)Venomthrope 110

Troops- 925
Tervigon, TS, Cat 185
Tervigon, TS, Cat 185
(30)Termagaunts 150
(10)Termagaunts 50
(9)Warriors, DS, Spod 355

Try to keep the Venomthropes behind the Tervigons so they don't get shot up.. Run the venomtrhopes up to meet the deepstriking warriors/doom if possible. 10 Gaunts are for backfield OBJ. I don't think warriors are useless.. all those bodies with a prime attatched can really bring the pain.