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How would you improve the following list? C&C more than welcome

Hq:
Coteaz 100 (divination)
Ordo Malleus Inq w/ Terminator Armor + NDH + Psycannon + Mater lvl 1 (Divination) + 3x Servo Skulls 119

Elite:
Techmarine w/ Rad Grenades + Power Axe 100
Vindicare Assassin 145 (in a Bolstered Ruin for the 2+ cover)
5x Palladin Squad w/ 2x Psycannons + 3x NFS + 2x NDH 315 (Malleus Inq with them)

Troop:
1st Henchmen Unit : 3x Plasma Cannon Servitors + 2x Space Monkeys + 5x Crusaders 205 (Coteaz with them)
2nd Henchmen Unit: 7x Death Cult Assassins w/ power sword + power axe + 4x Crusaders (Techmarine with them) 165
3rd Henchmen Unit: 6x Warrior Acolytes w/ Bolter in a Razorback w/ Heavy Bolter + Psybolts 80
4th Henchmen Unit: 6x Warrior Acolytes w/ Bolter in a Razorback w/ Heavy Bolter + Psybolts 80

Fast Attack:
Storm Raven w/ TL MM + TL LC 205 (2nd Henchmen Unit + techmarine here)

Heavy Support:
Dreadnought w/ 2x TL autocannons + Psybolts + Searchlight 136
Dreadnought w/ 2x TL autocannons + Psybolts 135
Dreadnought w/ Nemesis Doom Fist with built in Heavy Flamer + TL Heavy Flamer + Psyflames 130 (in Storm Raven)

Fortifications:
ADL w/ Icarus Lascannon 85 (Coteaz mans the gun +1st Henchmen Unit) 85

Spectral, just thank you.

You've just created a list of many of my favorite units.

If your techmarine has a power axe...then it's almost exactly like I would build it.

I like your Paladin loadout but would suggest they be set up as follows:

#1 Halberd
#2 Sword Psycannon
#3 Sword Psycannon
#4 Daemonhammer
#5 Daemonhammer

Also, consider a Typhoon for the Raven. It highly complements your current loadout.

I forgot about Techmarine's power weapon and yes you 're absolutely right! Power Axe all the way thank you for that !! Unfortunately I can't find a way to add the Typhoon..any suggestion about how it can fit in there? Happy you like the list

I think the only way you can do it is to lose the searchlight and warrior bolters...though losing a single coteaz crusader could help to get the points too.


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Sidenote: Mind if I nab the list for myself?

I generally play Pure GK but you've managed to make Coteaz look fun...unlike most armies.

Nice! I was also considering to keep the assault cannon and take the hurricane bolters ..Do you think it's worth it? Else I 'll just go with the Typhoon ML !

The list is also for other people to get ideas and play like this if it fits someones play style of course , so please test it for yourself in your local store!!

I 'll loadout the Pallys like you suggested giving Justicar halberd so I can choose who will accept the challenges the ap 2 Inq or the Initiative 6 Justicar !! Nice the extra invu on those psycannons I was also thinking putting the swords there . Really good feedback m8 thank you!!

You're list is lacking those S8+ shots... but can already deal the pain to T4- enemies.

I'd stick with the Typhoon. When needed you get 3 S8+ shots or switch to krak and since you can fire 2 missiles...you'll get 4 S4 blasts.

I would not take the typhoon. A TL MM on a flyer with POTMS is the best weapon the GK stormraven can take, it provides a very reliable way to one-shot a vehicle. You already have alot of S8 with your dreadnoughts, and plenty of S4 with your storm bolters. Keep the S8 AP1 2D6 armor pen.

 greyknight12 wrote:
and plenty of S4 with your storm bolters. Keep the S8 AP1 2D6 armor pen.

...there are 3 stormbolters in this list.

I love this list, it's marvelous. Question, can you assault from the Storm Raven?

Also, maybe consider a 6 Psykers + 3 servitors + 3 Crusaders. I dont think you need 5 crusaders to effectively defend that unit considering you're behind a ADL. However you might prize the monkeys more.

@ greyknight12 : I think that ductvader has a point with the Typhoon ML as you can use it both as str 8 profile and str 4 (blasts) . It's a bit pricy but provides versatility . But I think that all depend on the playstyle of each one of us out there

@ crimson_caesar : Yes you can assault from the Raven but only if it hovers -so calculate that it come's in 2nd round from reserves and third round it hovers- but it can only move 6" for the unit to disembark .. So it moves 6" then your unit moves 6" and then assaults (if I'm not mistaken ) . As for psykers they are good but a failed leadership test (double 1s or 6s) will make their low ap high str shooting attack less effective . The monkeys can fire their weapons as LC (up to 48" and possibly 60") which is higher str weapon and also as MM (2d6 penetration) or even (less possible but sometimes useful) Heavy Flamers every round . If you would like you can replace the Crusaders for Acolytes but every "no cover" weapon will hurt you for good . As ductvader suggested you can subtract 1 or 2 of them to give the Raven a Typhoon ML ..

Anyway I'm glad you also like the list .If you wish/can , test it in your local meta and tell me the results

My only suggestion would be 3 psi rifle dreads.you've got the pallies give them more fire support. Use the raven to drop the dca into melee and let the rage commence

Lol but very fun list

How would you scale this down to 1000 points? (that's about what I can afford currently)

Ahh the Flamernought... I love the conversion of the LC in the dreadnought box to a TL Heavy Flamer I 've managed and I find that particular unit to be really cool even though it's not a competitive one. The 3x psi rifle Dreads formation would be more fitting in a competitive environment where Vindicare Assassin doesn't fit either . I have both my Assassin and the Flamernought to have a bit more fun with this list. They still can be effective , but you 're absolutely right XdeadpoolX not as effective as 3x psi rifle Dreads! Thanks for the input as I never mentioned (shame on me ) that this is a semi-competitive list ( I think )..

As for cutting this list down to 1k points (crimson_caesar) I would go with the following units (but consider that 1k vs 2k point games are of a totally different mentality as to what your opponent can/will bring) :

Hq:
Coteaz 100

Elites:
Techmarine w/ Rad Grenades + Power Axe 100

Troops:
1st Henchmen Unit : 3x Plasma Cannon Servitors + 2x Space Monkeys + 4x Crusaders 190 (Coteaz with them and can put them in a "bolstered" ruin for extra protection if needed e.g night fight)
2nd Henchmen Unit: 7x Death Cult Assassins w/ power sword + power axe + 4x Crusaders (Techmarine with them) 165
3rd Henchmen Unit: 6x Warrior Acolytes w/ Bolter in a Razorback w/ TL LC 110
4th Henchmen Unit: 5x Warrior Acolytes w/ Bolter in a Razorback w/ TL LC 110

Fast Attack:
Storm Raven w/ Typhoon ML + TL LC 205 (2nd Henchmen Unit + techmarine here)

I know no Dreads :( but if you want to keep the list's character you should go something like this.. which is a lot more Inquisition than GK btw but still a fun list to experiment in your games..probably I would suggest you to play a different list at 1k (as my list is designed for double that points) but you 'll see for yourself ..

Sidenote: since you seem to like fun and quirky units.

Warriors in assault can be mean if you have hammerhand around.

I once wiped an ork squad with a squad of carapace armor bolt pistol chainsword guys.



Also, if you ever take plasma pistols...replace the chainsword. Having two pistols gives you an extra attack and the gunslinger rule allows you to shoot two pistols in a shooting phase.

^Super Fun.

I love my tech marine with conv bearer and vindicare in 2+ cover combo. And I think I've been lucky cos even in competition they have been a death machine.

I try to squeeze the 3 psyrifle in on fun games too. Gk here always get so much hate so why not get amusement out of it lol. If I don't take 3 I take 2 with a deepstriking dreadknight with heavy incinerator

For a gk 1k list I prefer elite spam. Nothing says go away like purifiers lol

Or draigowing. I hate him but I use him. I have won many games with draigo and 8 paladins at 750pts

But after seeing this list it's time I begin my inquisition

The problem with Vindicare is those "no cover" weapons that every army can bring nowadays so from 2+ cover his save drops to 4+ (and FNP at 6s) so that's why in a fully competitive environment you can't/shouldn't (if there's such a thing) bring him along..I prefer my Techmarine as a grenade carrier + AtSkNF rule he brings to this assault/mini deathstar unit of Deathcults and Crusaders ..This unit can go toe to toe with both MEQ and TEQ units (36 power weapon atks + Techmarine's atks if you charge and you also have axes for the ap2!!) ..

For me it's Dreadnoughts or NDKs all the way but that's my style ..Pure GK are fun to play but you 'll probably going to loose from an experienced player IMHO , but it's still fun
Inquisition brings some really cool toys to the knights + I love the fluff behind them .It also has black / red / gold colors that give my army a bit of different aesthetic which is also nice (I know dumb reason but still )

 Spectral wrote:
For me it's Dreadnoughts or NDKs all the way but that's my style ..Pure GK are fun to play but you 'll probably going to loose from an experienced player IMHO , but it's still fun
Inquisition brings some really cool toys to the knights + I love the fluff behind them .It also has black / red / gold colors that give my army a bit of different aesthetic which is also nice (I know dumb reason but still )

I personally have a hard time losing with Pure GKs, this may be because I heartily believe in forming my list around the way of the water warrior or because I started Daemonhunters when they were at the bottom of the barrel and I went on nearly a year long losing steak getting my face punched in until GK tactics were engrained into me completely.

With pure GKs it's less about killing and more about surviving.

If you survive to get to where you need to be, you can kill most anything.

As for building an army on aethetics...its a huge aspect of the game...otherwise we'd all be buying prepainted models.

Sidenote: Thanks for spelling Coteaz correctly. I grow so weary of people who play units and then consistently call the by the wrong name. (Termagaunts and Cortez are two of my most wince-worthy examples)

So I've done some thinking about the list and decided to apply some changes . Due to the lack of many flyer units in my local store ( 1 , maybe 2 occasionally per army) I removed the ADL as the Palladin Squad and the Storm Raven bring enough AA solutions. Regarding Storm Raven and after reading a lot of opinions about it's loadout I 'll keep it cheap with Assault cannon and Multi Melta . I 'll remove the 3rd and 4th Hencmen Squads and include 1x GKSS as 10x Marines have better survivability (3+ save) , maneuverability (Deep Strike) and fire ratio (8x str 5 and 4/8 str 7 shots) than 10x Warrior Acolytes (including Razorbacks) .They also bring Warp Quake which is really useful IMO !

So the list should look like this now :

Hq:
Coteaz 100 (divination)
Ordo Malleus Inq w/ Terminator Armor + NDH + Psycannon + Mater lvl 1 (Divination) + 3x Servo Skulls 119

Elite:
Techmarine w/ Rad Grenades + Power Axe 100
Vindicare Assassin 145 (in a Bolstered Ruin for the 2+ cover)
5x Palladin Squad w/ 2x Psycannons + 3x NFS + 2x NDH 315 (Malleus Inq with them)

Troop:
1st Henchmen Unit : 3x Plasma Cannon Servitors + 2x Space Monkeys + 4x Crusaders 190 (Coteaz with them)
2nd Henchmen Unit: 7x Death Cult Assassins w/ power sword + power axe + 4x Crusaders (Techmarine with them) 165
10x GKSS w/ 2x Psycannons + 7x Swords + 1x NDH + Psybolts 250 (will probably combat squad depending missions)

Fast Attack:
Storm Raven w/ TL MM + TL AC 205 (2nd Henchmen Unit + Techmarine here)

Heavy Support:
Dreadnought w/ 2x TL autocannons + Psybolts + Searchlight 136
Dreadnought w/ 2x TL autocannons + Psybolts 135
Dreadnought w/ Nemesis Doom Fist with built in Heavy Flamer + TL Heavy Flamer + Psyflames 130 (in Storm Raven)

The list is 10 points short so there are 2 options IMO : a) Give Techmarine a NDH so with Servo Harness and the hammer (both specialist weapons) he 'll have 2 atks or loose 2x Servo Skulls to add Psycotroke grenades to Techmarine and another Searchlight to the other Dreadnought ..

C&C anyone?

The tech marine is already getting three attacks when charged

1 s5 ap2 and 2 s8 ap2

Excuse my ignorance m8 but the Servo-arm has being FAQed as a specialist weapon .. I know these are extra CC atks made seperately at Initiative 1 but if you use a NDH (specialist weapon too) doesn't he get the extra atk for having 2 specialist weapons when he charges? What about power sword for having Initiative 4 atks (for sergeants if that's the occasion) ? ..On the other hand psycotroke can be both effective and fun so I'm leaning towards them

What about GKSS over Henchmen ? Do you like the idea ? Even though having Las pistol + Plasma pistol Henchmen sounds a lot of fun !!

Ok so after a bit play testing and a lot of thinking I think this is how my list will finally look :

Hq:
Coteaz 100 (Divination)
Ordo Malleus Inq w/ Terminator Armor + Hammer + Psycannon + Mater lvl 1 (Divination) + 3x Servo Skulls 119

Elite:
Techmarine w/ Rad Grenades + Psycotroke Grenades + Power Axe + Servo Skull 118
Vindicare Assassin 145 (in a Bolstered Ruin for the 2+ cover)
5x Palladin Squad w/ 2x Psycannons + 1x Halberd (the Justicar has it) + 2x Swords(the Psycannons have them) + 2x Hammers 315 (Malleus Inq with them)

Troop:
1st Henchmen Unit : 3x Plasma Cannon Servitors + 3x Plasma Gun Warrior Acolytes + 4x Crusaders w/ Power axe 162 (Coteaz with them)
2nd Henchmen Unit: 7x Death Cult Assassins w/ Power sword + Power axe + 4x Crusaders w/ Power axe 165 (Techmarine with them)
5x GKSS w/ Psycannon + 4x Swords 110
5x GKSS w/ Psycannon + 4x Swords 110

Fast Attack:
Storm Raven w/ TL Assault Cannon + TL Multi-Melta + Hurricane Bolters + Psybolts 255 (2nd Henchmen Unit + Techmarine here)

Heavy Support:
Dreadnought w/ 2x TL Autocannons + Psybolts + Searchlight 136
Dreadnought w/ 2x TL Autocannons + Psybolts 135
Dreadnought w/ Nemesis Doom Fist with built in Heavy Flamer + TL Heavy Flamer + Psyflames 130 (in Storm Raven)

There are 44 models in total and can play both at Double Force Organization or 1999+1 games .. Can handle Infiltrators , Flyers , Armor , Horde (so & so) , Deathstar , Psykers and sure is a lot of fun to play IMO!!