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I ran this list the other day against a SM/DA list and did OK. I won pretty cleanly but made a few tactical mistakes that gave up the Wraith Knights to quickly. Your thoughts on the list are welcome. I'm still struggling with the HQ slot.

2000 Pts - Codex: Eldar Roster

Total Roster Cost: 2000

HQ: Spiritseer (1#, 70 pts)
1 Spiritseer, 70 pts

HQ: Spiritseer (1#, 70 pts)
1 Spiritseer, 70 pts

Troops: Dire Avengers (11#, 305 pts)
9 Dire Avengers, 117 pts = 9 * 13
1 Dire Avenger Exarch, 43 pts = (base cost 23 + PW & Shimmershield 20)
1 Wave Serpent, 145 pts = (base cost 115 + Holo-Fields 15) + TL Scatter Lasers 5 + Shuriken Cannon 10

Troops: Dire Avengers (11#, 305 pts)
9 Dire Avengers, 117 pts = 9 * 13
1 Dire Avenger Exarch, 43 pts = (base cost 23 + PW & Shimmershield 20)
1 Wave Serpent, 145 pts = (base cost 115 + Holo-Fields 15) + TL Scatter Lasers 5 + Shuriken Cannon 10

Troops: Wraithguard (6#, 305 pts)
5 Wraithguard, 160 pts = 5 * 32
1 Wave Serpent, 145 pts = (base cost 115 + Holo-Fields 15) + TL Scatter Lasers 5 + Shuriken Cannon 10

Troops: Wraithguard (6#, 305 pts)
5 Wraithguard, 160 pts = 5 * 32
1 Wave Serpent, 145 pts = (base cost 115 + Holo-Fields 15) + TL Scatter Lasers 5 + Shuriken Cannon 10

Heavy Support: Wraithknight (1#, 240 pts)
1 Wraithknight, 240 pts

Heavy Support: Wraithknight (1#, 240 pts)
1 Wraithknight, 240 pts

Fast Attack: Crimson Hunter (1#, 160 pts)
1 Crimson Hunter, 160 pts

I don't think you're supposed to post the costs of individual items and whatnot due to copyright.

Dish is correct it is actuly a copyrite violation.

Anyway I believe that the wraith guard units and large avenger units are wasted points, the main purpose of the wave serpent spam list is to have a lot of serpents many small units to take objectives.

I would suggest for Hq a farseer with MotLG and jetbike so he can zoom armoung with a 2+ re-roll able cover save, and have the ability to cast prescience and guidance on your wraith knights.

You could field in place of the wraithguard 2x10 guardian units for 90pts it gives you wounds and if you drop then in area terrain and boom they are hard to kill without losing a lot of firepower.

So IMO i would replace all wrathguard/avenger units for 10man guardian units, and switching out the spirit seers for a farseer with bike/MotLG your points would be 640-155-360= 135pts left , then further if you drop the shurkin cannons from all the WS for an extra 40pts you could buy another crimson hunter and THEN buy the spirit stone of awesomeness.

Again my opinion and from experience a better option.

Well, I'd drop the Wraithguard in toto. Too less bang for the bucks. For the pts saved, you could take (almost) two FD squads and another DA squad, all in Serpents.

I disagree with Wuestenfux (which seems like a first) fire dragons are not worth it compared to Wraithguard. Almost no difference in points (just 50) and you have a unit that can shoot multiple times rather than one that shoots once gets sneezed at and is removed.

10 man DA squads in Serpents are a poor investment. Guardians do more damage for less points. Always take guardians if you want 10 men, you take DAs to get the Serpent for cheap.

However I do concur that you probably don't need the Wraithguard with Wraithknights about and particularly for Serpent spam. You could do this for the same points:

Mantleseer 155

5 DAs: Serpent: SL, SC, HF 210
5 DAs: Serpent: SL, SC, HF 210
10 Guardians: Serpent: SL, SC, HF 235
10 Guardians: Serpent: SL, SC, HF 235
10 Guardians: Serpent: SL, SC, HF 235

Wraithknight 240
Wraithknight 240
Wraithknight 240

Then you've got 5 Serpents and 3 Knights and better Psychic Support.

Flingit, that's pretty much what i said with the exception of 2 crimson hunters (2 is always better then 1) I believe that 3 wraithknights 5 serpents mantle seer with hunters in unbeatable.

I like the original list. But i'd make two changes.

1- Take the Iyanden Supplement.
2- Drop the Hunter in favour of the Mantle-farseer-jetbike. Same points, so much more effective. Your spiritseers are a single HQ choice now, and the farseer is so tactically flexible and fun to use.

Arbiter I know I was agreeing with you about dropping the Wraithguard and swapping DAs for guardians.

 Arbiter wrote:
Flingit, that's pretty much what i said with the exception of 2 crimson hunters (2 is always better then 1) I believe that 3 wraithknights 5 serpents mantle seer with hunters in unbeatable.

crimson hunters are good anti air, but will get taken down really quickly, even with 2.
Wave serpents are actually not bad anti air, and if you have 5 like flingits list, then you dont need them crimson hunters as much.