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Hey All,
I have recently started acquiring Dark Angels and there is a tourney coming up at a local store. I have played few 40k games ever but liked the Dark Angel Deathwing Ravenwing army lists. I was hoping for some advice for what I could run at this point level? I have a bunch of Deathwing Terminators and Bikes, land speeders Tactical troop Rhinos and the usual, with Azrael and Belial. I have a month and can get a few models if need be or trade for them. Was hoping for some suggestions from the extremely experienced Dakka crowd. Here are the rules. I won't be able to get any FW stuff in time so leave that out.

3 Rounds 2.5 hours per game
Special Rules
Force Organization Chart: Single
Allies: No
Fortifications: No
Forgeworld: Yes for approved units. (see:http://warhammernb.freeforums.org/forgeworld-additional-unit-rules-and-regs-t671.html)
WYSIWYG: Yes, within reason. Models must be fully built. (Guardian = Dire avenger, yes. Hive tyrant legs = Riptide, no)
Super Heavies, Gargantuans, Formations: No

The list so far that I know of are CSM force with
HQ
Chaos Lord, Jump Pack, Mark of Khorne, Axe of Blinding Rage, VOTLW, Sigil of Corruption, Gift of Mutation, Ichor Blood

Troop
2x 10 Chaos Marines, VOTLW, Extra CCW, 2 Plasma Gun, Power Sword, Combi-Plasma

Elite
2x Hellbrute, Heavy Flamer, Multi Melta
2x Chaos Decimator, Butcher Cannon

Fast Attack
Helldrake, Baleflamer
15 Raptors, Mark of Khorne, VOTLW, 2 Flamer, Icon of Wrath, 2 Lightning Claw

Heavy Support
3x 2 Obliterator, Mark of Nurgle, VOTLW
Forgefiend, 2 Hades Cannons, and Ectoplasma Cannon

Eldar
Headquarters
- Farseer (counts as Eldrad)
- Spritseer

Elites
- Harlies x 8

Troops
- Wraithguard x 10 w/ Wave Serpent
- Dire Avengers x 10 w/ Wave Serpent
- Defenders x 10 w/ Wave Serpent
- Defenders x 10 w/ Wave Serpent

Fast Attack
- Warp Spiders x 6

Heavy Support
- Wraithlord
- Wraithlord
- Dark Reapers x 5

and IG
47th Cadian Armoured Regiment

HQ
coy command tank (annihalator)
coy command tank (annihalator)
(lascannon hull multimelta sponsons)

ELITES
commissar tank (exterminator)
commissar tank (exterminator)
(3x heavybolters)

TROOPS
leman russ battle tank
leman russ battle tank
leman russ battle tank
(lascannon hull heavy bolter sponsons)
armoured fist squad
armoured fist squad
armoured fist squad
(melta gun, krak grenades, autocannon team, chimera wih autocannon turret)

FAST ATTACK
vendetta gunship squadron
(2x vendetta)

HEAVY SUPPORT
armoured fist heavy weapon squad
armoured fist heavy weapon squad
armoured fist heavy weapon squad
(lascannon teams, chimera with autocanon turret)

Any thought or advice would be greatly appreciated.

I see I made an error in not posting a list and expecting someone else to do the work. I apologise and hopefully can get this back on track with a list.


HQ
Azrael
Belial
DW Command squad with apothecary to go with Belial assault cannon 240

Troops
DW Terminator Squad Ten term with 2 chainfists and CML and Assault Cannon 485
DW Terminator Squad Ten with 2 chainfists and CML and Assault Cannon 485
DW Knights Five with Perfidious \relic in a Land Raider Redeemer with Azrael 245
2X Bike Squad RAS 3 bikes with Attack Bike sgt with combi melta and AB with Multi Melta 290
2X RSS Land Speeder not sure what loadout best hinking Typhoon Missile Launcher which would make two of them cost 150
with few points left could throw in Sniper scouts with Camo cloaks for cheap scoring harassment whatever

I need more bikes and am working on getting them but that is Where I am so far. Thanks.
Thoughts?

I don't play Deathwing or Ravenwing, but in general the lists look fairly sloid. There really isn't much you can do against the eldar though.

What is the big issue with the Eldar. Have never played them.

You'll get railed by his extremely mobile Wave Serpents

Is there anything we can field that does deal with them?

You will suffer fighting anyone who plays a lt of flyers really,
I would say throw storm raven or 2 in there for a ton of fire power and anti flyer.

Vs Tau you should see if they have riptides (who doesn't?)
if they don't then deepstrike terminators next to them and assault asap, if they do have riptides then you can still deepstrike but beware the giant strength 9 Ap2 templates
(you can deepstrike and then run to spread them out if you roll high enough) your biggest problem is getting into combat.

Vs Eldar you have to kill the waveserpents first if they have wraithknights with duel cannons then don't worry about them as much (don't get me wrong charge and kill them if you have the chance) if they have the sun cannon (strength6 AP2 small blast) then kill them asap to stop them from murdering your poor terminators (as always assaulting with enough power fists/chain fists should do the job).

Vs IG beware the templates (I plaed a 2k tournoment and the IG player had 3 plasma tanks and 6 LRBT it was template city).

Would I be better off going with large numbers of bike squads? I have a friend with lots and could steal them. Just a thought. Maybe switch over to Sammuel and that Ravenwing squad.


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Also, the rules so no allies so only fliers for DA are Nephilim Jetfighter and Ravenwing Dark Talon, of which I have neither. What else do we have for anti air?
Edit Just read through specs of Wave Serpent... wth were they thinking.I might even reserve almos nothing in those cases and just go gunline and try to plink the HP out of them with CML and such. That would be bad.

Get an agies defense line with quad gun, put as many land speeders with CML and MM and put them behind it for a 4+ cover, then you can throw land raiders with twin linked lascannons behind the defense line also giving a 4+ cover, the raiders can also counter as AA with some luck, Remember WS serpent shield ignores cover and has a range of 72" so maybe just deep striking speeders with CML and MM behind it and suicide?

If you decide to suicide remember that Ws with Hf cost 135pts vs your speeders cost of 80pts max (you win), also if you kill all his serpents on turn 2 using this method bring some tissues for the tears.

No fortifications either or I would be throwing Quad gun for sure. I may just have to mass shoot and hope for the best. Thanks again for the advice. That or bite the bullet and find $$$ for fliers...

Edit. Would love any other advice. Thanks again. Even just links to good articles as well. I have read a ton.

So after tons of reading and studying here is what I have some up with.

HQ
Azrael
Belial
DWCS with Assault Cannon
Troops
2 X DWTS 10 man with CML and AC
2 X RAS 5 Bikes sgt with combi melta plus Attack Bike with multimelta

Elites
DW Knights 5 Man with PRotU

Fast Attack
2 X RSS Landspeeder 1 with with Typhoon ML other with Heavy Bolter

LR Redeemer with DW Upgrade

Please pokes holes in it and advise on tactics etc. Thanks again.