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2.0:
Avatar 205
Fast shot

Autarch 115
Banshee mask, Powersword
Remnant of Glory: Phoenix Gem

1 Warlock 40
Singing spear

10 Wraithblades 320 (swords)

20 Defender Guardians 180

3 Guardian jetbikes 61
shuriken cannon

Wraithknight 240

Wraithlord 165
Wraithsword, 2x flamer , scatter laser, brightlance

Wraithlord 165
Wraithsword, 2x flamer , scatter laser, brightlance


Original for posterity:



Battle plan: Autarch goes with the wraithblades, which go behind the wraithlords/Avatar, which go behind storm guardians, which go behind 20x guardians, said block marches down the enemy troop/objective lines. The wraithknight hops around knocking out AT grade weapons / annoying hard targets. The rangers find a corner objective to hide on, and take potshots at whatever.
I'm not really concerned about flyers, most at the shop are groundable. Considering swapping the rangers for guardian jet bikes, I don't use either much...

Any advise? Units, wargear, battle plan, after nightshift math?


Unit Collection I can draw from:

The autarch is useless x10000 drop his and take a farseer.

Drop the storm guardians as they can't do anything better then wraith blades.

With the points saved buy a spirit seer and another warlock.

Warlock 1 goes with blades, warlock 2 goes with blob of 20 guardians, spirit seer goes with blades and uses voice of twilight (supplement) while farseer sits behind blades and supports.

Warlock can't join wraithblades.

Your list miss some speed, you could be outmanoeuvred pretty easily.

I'd recommand either jetbikes or waveserpents for the guardians to be able to react.

The Avatar NEEDS fast shot, no exceptions. Double tapping BS10 melta guns on a model with fleet and battle focus is fantastic. The avatar rarely makes it to combat, but you might manage to get a shot off. It is also pennies relative to the cost of the avatar.

I do reccomend the spiritseer over the autarch for several reasons. The spiritseer is a very powerful psyker for the price, and not terrible in melee either. A spiritseer also makes your wraithblades score, and gives the spirit mark ability, which is huge for wraith shooting and CC. If you have access to the iyanden supplement take multiple spiritseers(up to 5 in one HQ slot) and unlock voice of twilight, which is outright amazing. If you go the iyanden route, never take warlocks. A spiritseer is 2 warlocks with better stats, and the ability to join non guardian squads. You also get the extra spirit marks, which rock.

Wraithblades are OK, but you probably want shields and axes. Even with 1 attack each, your main use of the blades is to survive. On the charge, and with a spirit mark you should have no problem winning combat. The shields prevent a helldrake or anything else from wiping you out.

Guardian defenders really need long range guns. Maybe scatter lasers for dakka.

Try to find points to get each wraithlord some guns. Lances for anti tank. Other than your knight, you currently lack any long range fire.

Um, serling its an autarch hes talking about being useless, no where in his post you quoted does he say avatar is....

For the list, i would take out storm gardians, then split the gardian defneders into 2 squads, then drop the autarch, then take 2 wave serpents to go with the gardians.

I normally run 5 DAVU serpents and a pair of prisms, I kinda wanted to have a change of pace for a few games, hence the monster spam and lack of serpents.

Jet bikes seem better then the rangers, I'll swap them out.
Dropping the storm guardians for fast shot and heavy weapons sounds good.

Autarch is staying for no reason other then I want to play at least one game with her.
She will probably fail miserably, and get replaced with a spirit seer latter.

Don't have the ghost axes magnetized, only d-scythes and ghostswords. :/

- storm guardians 100
Ranger to jetbikes 61? with cannon (codex at home)
Avatar+ fast shot 205?
Wraithlords + scatter laser& brightlance 165x2

9pts left?

Edit: PS: posting with a phone is kinda annoying.

EDIT 2.0
Avatar 205
Fast shot

Autarch 115
Banshee mask, Powersword
Remnant of Glory: Phoenix Gem

1 Warlock 40
Singing spear

10 Wraithblades 320 (swords)

20 Defender Guardians 180

3 Guardian jetbikes 61
shuriken cannon

Wraithknight 240

Wraithlord 165
Wraithsword, 2x flamer , scatter laser, brightlance

Wraithlord 165
Wraithsword, 2x flamer , scatter laser, brightlance

1491

Its better to have 2 of the same weapon when dealing with bright lances. scatter lasers are for infantry, lannces for tanks, makes a mixed role. Better for x2 lances.

I agree with dual lances on the lords and also think you need the spiritseer with the wariathblades...keep the spiritgem and make him the warlord!

Sorry about op I meant warlock 1 then spiritseer 2 with the blades (i'm just dumb).

If your dead set on playing an autarch then can you stick a ranged weapon on her? so she can sit on the guardians and boost their LD to 10 (the avatar makes them fearless within 12" but in case the avatar has to go forward and guardians need to stay behind).

Also the guardians jetbikes don't need a cannon so with the points dropped + the 9pts left you can buy either a ranged weapon for autarch, or another jetbike.

 Arbiter wrote:
Sorry about op I meant warlock 1 then spiritseer 2 with the blades (i'm just dumb).

If your dead set on playing an autarch then can you stick a ranged weapon on her? so she can sit on the guardians and boost their LD to 10 (the avatar makes them fearless within 12" but in case the avatar has to go forward and guardians need to stay behind).

Also the guardians jetbikes don't need a cannon so with the points dropped + the 9pts left you can buy either a ranged weapon for autarch, or another jetbike.

WHy not just go jetbike autarch with a reaper launcher?

I think this list might have some serious troubles with Objective-based missions as it doesn't have the speed to contest like most Eldar lists have in droves, and you have only two troop choices.

Going over all the comments, I'm going to take a guess that this list just sucks. So to the bin with this one.

Starting from scratch, how would you go about making a playable wraith wall list?

EDIT:

Explanation: I normally play a mechdar army. I mainly spend all game kiting the enemy army and blowing it apart/ crippling it enough that I can claim objectives turn 5+

I would like to try aggressively claiming the middle, then the enemy deployment zone; rather then dance around the corners till the remaining foes can't kill 5 squads of 5 avengers (well fun, I want to try something different), I've tried aggressive tactics with units in serpents, but with all the points the serpents eat the deployed squads just don't have the presence to hold after they attack something, and the tanks tend to put themselves in auto-death-charge-range to get said squads there in the first place.

A avatar, concealed guardian blob, and wraith constructs looked to be the way to go, but I'm not sure how to make a foot list fit quite right, hence posting it here.
Also would like to use at least one of the cauldron of blood avatar / autarch / jain zar I have made but thus far never used.


Hindsight says I should have gathered those thoughts and put them in the OP before posting.

EDIT 40,000: I edit a lot.

An all wraith army with no AV would look kinda like this:

Hq-Farseer MotLG, jetbike- 155

Hq-Spiritseer x1- 70

Troop- 10x wraithblades axes- 320 (spirit seer goes here)

Troop- 5x wraithguard cannons- 160

Troop- 5x wraithguard cannons- 160

Troop- 5x wraithguard cannons- 160

Troop- 5x wraithguard cannons- 160

Heavy- Wraithlord 2 BL- 160

Heavy- Wraithlord 2 BL- 160

This is 1500pts exactly, it lacks the ability to kill a lot of flyers, unless you switch BL on the lords to double scatters as you have already a ton of AT.