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1. Charging. If I charge a unit from it's front arc, but it is already engaged in combat and doesn't have any spare models in the front rank, the only place I can put my unit is in the flank. But the rules determine flank charges based where you charge from, not on where you end up. How do you resolve this, who can fight, what's the CR?

2. my opponent's DP is fighting my 8-wide clanrats (don't ask why they are 8 wide...) but he's sitting in the center. Then his warriors charge to join the DP. Does his DP 'move over' to maximise models fighting? Can he break the 1" rule for closeness of units?

1 you ended up as a flank charge, it's a flank charge.

2 Yes and yes. About the last one once they're both engaged in the same combat the 1" doesn't matter anymore

Throwback wrote:
1. Charging. If I charge a unit from it's front arc, but it is already engaged in combat and doesn't have any spare models in the front rank, the only place I can put my unit is in the flank. But the rules determine flank charges based where you charge from, not on where you end up. How do you resolve this, who can fight, what's the CR?

2. my opponent's DP is fighting my 8-wide clanrats (don't ask why they are 8 wide...) but he's sitting in the center. Then his warriors charge to join the DP. Does his DP 'move over' to maximise models fighting? Can he break the 1" rule for closeness of units?

1) If there is no room to actually make it into B2B in the front, no, you can't charge. Whatever arc you start in is the arc you complete the charge. Nothing in the rules allows you to start in the frontal arc and end the charge in the flank.

2) No, the DP doesn't move because of the charge. The warriors fit in beside him the best they can. Maximizing with multiple units is done when they charge simultaneously. When a second unit joins a combat after it is already engaged, you maximize the best you can without moving the original units. Yes, you ignore the 1" rule in this case.

Concur with both Davall's responses.

1. Technically you could charge..and hit the corner to fight at the corner but you'd be better off moving to the flank. You must charge the front if you are in the front arc.

2. As Davall stated.

My only query with Davall's answer is:
If the chariots are a single unit, would they not be able to move along to maximise with the incoming warriors?

This is not the same as the DP moving but does seem to fit within the BRB text.

The unit already engaged has no permission to move except via a combat reform. Maximizing happens during the charge, but there isn't anything forcing the engaged unit to move.

I would have to look if a later combat reform could allow movement to put more models from the secondary unit into combat, but I don't believe so as it would mean moving some models out of combat with the initial unit which is illegal.

As above.

Sliding is not legal, unless you played the stupid addenda FAQ to 7th, which was entirely optional

Huh, I thought there was a BRB section about maximising models in combat, but can't find it. Anyone know where it is?

There is a section on maximising on charge, and a requirement that reforms dont lose any models from the fight, but thats it.
No sliding when IN combat, or on the way in.

As I understand it, in the case of the Warriors charging a unit already engaged by the Demon Prince, the DP is not allowed to move as stated above. If, after combat, both units successfully perform a combat reform, they can in effect "slide" in order to get more Warriors in the fight. There are caveats for that reform though - basically it can't reduce the number of models in base contact with the DP, that sort of thing.

In the example given you would not be able to move the DP much.
Assuming the prince is in the middle and maximized. This would put him in base contact 3 clanrat bases. He must remain in contact with 3 unless casualties make that impossible.
The DP's move must also be done in the combat reform. He does not get to move just because a charge is declared and you need more room.

Niteware wrote:
Huh, I thought there was a BRB section about maximising models in combat, but can't find it. Anyone know where it is?

Another issue is that the "maximization" is limited by the number of models you can actually bring into BtB while performing a legal charge move. The charging unit is only allowed a single wheel of up to 90 degrees and then may "close the door" upon making contact. Once the door is closed, the unit doesn't slide over. There are lots of cases where two units are at odd, oblique angles to each other and/or there are intervening units or terrain that means that the single allowed wheel only allows one or two models from each unit to actually get into BtB. I see some players, instead of actually performing their charge move, merely pick up the charging unit and place it in contact with the full frontage of the target unit, even if there were no legal way to actually make that move.

People also forget that the wheel MUST be forwards for maximizing and charging. So one of the two corners moves forwards. Some of these simple mechanics make a huge difference to game play and tactics.
People must think much more about their unit positions for charges and It becomes much more challenging.

@Peasant: Absolutely. Even at this stage, with the edition being three years old, I'm amazed how many veteran players perform charges incorrectly.