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HQ - Barebones Sorcerer

10 CSM
Champion with Power Weapon
2x Plasma
Rhino


10 CSM
Champion with Power Weapon
2x Flamer
Rhino


10 CSM
Champion with Power Weapon
2x Melta
Rhino

10 Cultists (bone stock, backfield objective campers)

Heldrake x2
Baleflamers

3 Oblits - MoN
3 Oblits - MoN

C&C Required please.

Split 6 oblits into 3 teams. Consider dropping pow weapon on plasma team and give melta bombs on each champ. Also consider swapping out bolters for ccw on your melta and flamer teams.

Second on 3-2 man oblit teams. I would drop power weapons on all champs, take melta instead. Maybe get the sorcerer something nice? I take it he is going with the cultists, but he is your warlord, so putting some points his way could help.

I like the overall balance and theme of your list. Simple, effective, to the point.

How come drop the power weapons? I figured it would be handy for the Champions of Chaos rule. Thank you for the input

Yes Sorcerer is going with cultists to hide and camp an objective.

Pow axe is +1str ap2 but swing at i1. Pow sword is just ap3. Pow mual is +1str ap5. Each are bad bcuz they dont slay termi any more like they did in previous edition. Also champ must accept and issue challenges so his atks are wasted on a single chump seargent.

The only way to hide a pf or pw is on termi or chosens.

If your aiming for boons id run slaneesh so you get those attacks first and youll probably will win combat, unless you assault terminaotrs for reasons unknown. but if you dont want to get into cc i wouldnt bother with them.

I know this seems Heretitical (if thats a word) but id run one of your drakes with Hades to shoot at tanks/flyers one bale flamer will probably be more than enough to clear infantry.

Well the thing is I don't want to lose my Aspiring Champion as CSM don't have ATSKNF, so the extra leadership is important to me. At least with a power sword I can have much greater odds at killing that Sergeant before he kills my Champion, and roll on the Chaos table.

I'd avoid Terminators like the plague and/or kite them with plasma. I unfortunately don't have enough points for marks, but if I did it would be Nurgle, Toughness 5 Marines are a hard choice to back away from.

Heh, I couldn't imagine a Drake without his Baleflamer! If i'm up against Flyers i'll take the chances and either Vector Strike it to death or snapshot my Oblits at them. The Baleflamer is just way too fun and effective, i'd like to essentially have every infantry roasted and me control all the objectives my with my piles of troops.

Bump. Any more input will be greatly appreciated, this is going to be a league list

Bump, tourney coming up soon!

Is sorc leading the cultist?

Where the sorceries goes is a fair point. He's the only thing in the list that isn't really contributing. Id take a lord myself. And a big units of cultists for him to sit in.

Yup Sorcerer is leading the cultists. I don't really have enough points for a Lord. I'm 1500 on the button. Unless you guys know where I can subtract and still be a good TAC list?


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Is 30 Marines overkill? Should I maybe drop a squad and put those points elsewhere?

I'd keep the power weapons on any CSM sergeants that are going into close combat, so ones with flamers and melta guns. Id take power swords. Power axes are only really the better option if you're attacking last anyway, so plague marines, and power mauls are sort of a win more weapon, not a win where you wouldnt have otherwise won weapon. Powermauls are really death star weapons, something for elite units to take to kill lots of low point units in assaults, but then lightning claws are usually superior because of shred.

Chaos undivided is generally played in two ways:

1) Abby/Chosen with chosen in rhinos with lots of plasma and abby in a terminator deathstar that deepstrikes in. Maybe take some autocannon havocs/oblits/heldrakes
2) Black sea, lots and lots of units that can play rat warhammer and play the objectives, not necessarily killing the other army. Having lots of scoring units and lots of mobility is key with these.

If the Sorc is going with the cultists maybe get them some extra bodies? 13 wounds t3 in cover isn't a hard kill, I like flamers in my cultis squads, for overwatch or clear out other cheap scoring units.

What are the typical Chosen squad loadouts? I'd like to run a fluffy/somewhat competitive Black Legion list.

With two heldrakes with baleflamers do you need those flamers on the CSM squad?

Have you tried running squads of 20 Chaos Marines? With all those Obliterators and a pair of Turkeys you have plenty of covering fire, just charge. I would combine the flamer and melta squad: Drop both rhinos, drop both melta guns and avoid the third Aspiring champion tax plus his power weapon. Also in a challenge you should be getting lots of re-rolls with this giant squad. The Sorcerer can then join this unit and buff it with his Leadership, I can't remember if he is fearless. Try to get invisibility or iron arm. You can keep the flamers if you really want but with that many shots/attacks you don't really need them. Take VotLW if you want or if the Sorcerer isn't joining them.

Back them up with the Plasma squad in the rhino, I like the havoc launcher in conjunction with this shooty cover squad.

6^ what wargear would you give the champion in a 20 man blob of marines under those circumstances (With the Sorc joint to the squad)

edit: typo

A power axe; with which he can go to town with relative impunity in that giant squad.

I guess I really don't need to flamers per say... I just enjoy them for how cheap they are, the overwatch, and how many hordes I typically fight with my Marines.

I'll leave Abby out of this list, but definitely want to make the fluffy Black Legion list next. And Chosen are ridiculously cheap on ebay as well. I wouldn't mind the 20 man marine squad but I can't stand footslogging marines, just takes so long to get anywhere for my liking. I feel the Rhinos give me a lot of strategic play, and as most games are objective based I like that slight advantage.

20 man squad of marines need to take advantage of IoE.