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What the title says, can i make rough riders a viable unit to smash things up?

I really fancy modelling some, and i do love horsies, but only if i can use them effectively, and while they do get trumped by every other fast attack slot, i still want some darn horsies!

Thanks for any advice on this

DKOK Assault Brigade goes a long way towards making the cavalry as best as they can be.

As for codex IG, the best I can think of are 5-man melta squads, urban/very cluttered boards, and low-point games.

Can't you get something like 3 melta guns and some melta bombs in there?

Might be a nice unit to bust up tanks.

(I know very little of them.)

 ductvader wrote:
Can't you get something like 3 melta guns and some melta bombs in there?

Might be a nice unit to bust up tanks.

(I know very little of them.)

You can get 2 special weapons, and/or meltabombs on the sergeant.

Nope, there is literally no way to make RR cost effective. Even using them as tank hunters they are ineffective as they are 10ppm base with a T3 5+ save.

DKoK made them 2W, 4+ armor, 6+ fnp, 2A base, krak and frag, and WS4 for 80 points. They are actually quite good, as they both survive fire much better and do more damage on the charge. Free grenades means that after their first charge they go on to smack some vehicles around. For 100 you put a power axe and melta bombs on them to be able to better deal with characters and tanks.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/d/dkksiegelist.pdf

 Talore wrote:
DKOK Assault Brigade goes a long way towards making the cavalry as best as they can be.

As for codex IG, the best I can think of are 5-man melta squads, urban/very cluttered boards, and low-point games.

I noticed the death riders were pretty darn good, but they seemed fairly expensive, is this worth it for the points paid?


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 zephoid wrote:
Nope, there is literally no way to make RR cost effective. Even using them as tank hunters they are ineffective as they are 10ppm base with a T3 5+ save.

DKoK made them 2W, 4+ armor, 6+ fnp, 2A base, krak and frag, and WS4 for 80 points. They are actually quite good, as they both survive fire much better and do more damage on the charge. Free grenades means that after their first charge they go on to smack some vehicles around. For 100 you put a power axe and melta bombs on them to be able to better deal with characters and tanks.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/d/dkksiegelist.pdf

Excellent, thanks a bunch! Sounds like i'll be having krieger allies...

In 5th edition, I had a friend make a big gunline army, with gaps. He'd keep his RR in reserve. when you got close to his lines, well if you did, the RR would be placed in that area, and with their movement and charge range, hit you, and hit you hard and fast.

They were an extremely effective counter charging unit.

And with IG blobs etc, he could tarpit you, and bring the RR over to charge that way.

Not sur ehow effective that army would be in 6th but that's the way to do RR in my opinion.

Wow, that DKoK army list would be fantastic as Ork Blood Axe allies for my boyz

 Dakkamite wrote:
Wow, that DKoK army list would be fantastic as Ork Blood Axe allies for my boyz

Unfortunately, you'd legally (gamewise) be unable to ally in DKoK with their death riders because allies wise they can only ally with Imperial forces and all xenos/chaos factions count as forbidden level "Come the Apocalypse".

I am so unimpressed right now

 Grimskul wrote:
Unfortunately, you'd legally (gamewise) be unable to ally in DKoK with their death riders because allies wise they can only ally with Imperial forces and all xenos/chaos factions count as forbidden level "Come the Apocalypse".

Actually you can do it. The harsher allies restrictions only apply to the DKoK assault brigade in IA12, the DKoK siege list uses the allies matrix for normal IG. IMO the assault brigade is the more interesting and fun list, but if your main goal is to get death riders in your army you can take the siege list and get the same unit.

When using the Allies Matrix (page 113, Warhammer 40,000 rulebook),
Death Korps Siege Regiment armies are treated as Imperial Guard armies
when both selecting allies to fight alongside them and when using them
as allies for another force. The exception to this rule is that they may ally
with Imperial Guard armies as Battle Brothers.

Aw yea, we in business now. Thanks for pointing that out Peregrine.

Edit: Random question - does anyone know if the Thunderer Siege Squadron's "Demolisher Cannons" are the same thing as the Demolisher Siege Cannons? Cheers

Rough riders are actually good IMO. They are just totally outclassed by the vendetta and vulture.

If I could get them as elites (or better yet, troops - make Mogul an HQ that can move them into troop slot please GW), I would run something like 3x5-6 with 2x melta and meltabomb. That little unit gives you a mobile tank hunter squad that still packs a hefty punch in close combat for such a cheap unit.

So it isn`t really about making RR`s work IMO, it is a question if you can leave the amazing flyers at home.

 Dakkamite wrote:
Edit: Random question - does anyone know if the Thunderer Siege Squadron's "Demolisher Cannons" are the same thing as the Demolisher Siege Cannons? Cheers

Yes. It's a LR Demolisher with a fixed hull gun instead of a turret.

This was written a while ago. Maybe it and other articles may be eddifying?

http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2012/01/imperial-guard-fast-attack-choices.html

Or this:

http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2012/12/warhammer-40k-beasts-and-cavalry.html

I made a great looking squad of feral rough riders using chaos marauder horsemen and parts. They were not too awfull bad in the last edition (but still not really worth the points). In the current edition with the nerfing of power weapons, they really arent that usefull at all. Of course, like many units, I will still use them anyway just so those models dont feel left out. Currently, they arent much more than a distraction to draw fire away from other units.

Their usefulness went down when reserves couldn't charge. However, they still are pretty cost effective if you want to totally hose just one unit with it and the unit you're hosing is more spensive than you are. And thats a lot of targets right there.

They're great to wipe out sternguzrd drops Makes sm player think twice who he wants dead - more guardsmen or horsies.

Confusing target priorities is good for ones chances.

I run a squad of RR with a flamer in front. They can be effective if you use them right and depending on who you're going up against. When taking on a SP Army, especially a close combat unit, they're good at countercharging an enemy's assault units before they get close. Usually they don't win combat, but they slow the unit down enough to give me some breathing room and they usually do take out few models before they go. They're big weakness is long range fire, if an enemy targets them in the shooting phase, you can pretty much kiss them goodbye, because they have a terrible armor save and they're toughness isn't any better than a Guardsman. In my opinion when the new Codex comes out I hope they increase their WS to 4, 2 base attacks, increase their strength, and maybe even a 4+ armor save. That would make them worth it points wise.