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Example: 7 beasts of Nurgle lose combat and take 3 wounds from Daemonic Instability. Are you allowed to

a) spread them around

or

b) must they all be assigned to the same model

Thanks!

 Shinkaze wrote:
Example: 7 beasts of Nurgle lose combat and take 3 wounds from Daemonic Instability. Are you allowed to

a) spread them around

or

b) must they all be assigned to the same model

Thanks!

"Allocated by the owning Player"

Spread em if you got em.

Isn't there a rule where you.allocate a wound to a multi wound model and must keep allocating to it untill it's dead or look out sir or whatever?

Yes, in Assault attack Resolution.

But Instability is not part of assault attack resolution.

Shooting defaults to continue pumping wounds until the model is dead through its basic rules(select the nearest model resolve the wounds, and then you only move on to the next model once the first allocated model is reduced to 0 wounds).

That's what a TO ruled and it sounded legit at the time

You can spread them around and it's the RAW.

Without defaulting to the shooting or CC rules to allocate wounds, where is your permission to allocate in such a manner ?

Fragile wrote:
Without defaulting to the shooting or CC rules to allocate wounds, where is your permission to allocate in such a manner ?

Because it literally says "... it suffers one additional Wound, allocated by the controlling player."

No restrictions on how it is allocated.

Makes sense in both fluff and intent based on how i see instability. Basically the instability is in their manifestation, meaning it would effect multiple models in the unit.

Fragile wrote:
Without defaulting to the shooting or CC rules to allocate wounds, where is your permission to allocate in such a manner ?

In the Daemons instability rule.

Yes, the Unit suffers an additional wound for each point lost. You still have not shown how to allocate those wounds to the unit in the rule.

Fragile wrote:
Yes, the Unit suffers an additional wound for each point lost. You still have not shown how to allocate those wounds to the unit in the rule.

allocated by the controlling player

Yes, he has.

CC wounds are allocated by the controlling player, show the difference that allows you to spread the wounds.

Fragile wrote:
CC wounds are allocated by the controlling player, show the difference that allows you to spread the wounds.

CC allocation has the restriction in place forcing you to count one model as closest until the end of the attack.
DI does not. No restriction means no requirement.

Fragile wrote:
CC wounds are allocated by the controlling player, show the difference that allows you to spread the wounds.

Meaning I determine the allocation. Given there is no restriction unlike cc, I can do so how ever I wish

Fragile wrote:
CC wounds are allocated by the controlling player, show the difference that allows you to spread the wounds.

+

CC has the specific Wording that forces the wounds to be placed on 1 model until dead, DI does not.

DI: Simply tells us the Daemon Player Allocates the wounds.

CC Says: " Once a model has a Wound allocated to it, you must continue to allocate wounds to it util it is either removed as a casualty or the wound pool is empty."

Do you see the difference?

CC Specifically tells us it all has to go on the same model; DI Permits us to allocate without restriction.

So in all cases you allow ate to one till dead and move on, which has been made clear by the rules. Now introduce this rule and on multi wound models you get to bring back wound allocation shenanigans. Those wounds are the result of loosing close combat, and should hiwpi be allocated to one till it's dead then move on. It clear how GW want wounds to be done. Just do it that way, don't be that effing guy.

You're pretty consistent in your viewpoint that following the rules is being "that effing guy".
That makes no sense.

rigeld2 wrote:
You're pretty consistent in your viewpoint that following the rules is being "that effing guy".
That makes no sense.

Well, in this case you have a set of rules that is specific in how wound allocation goes to multiwound models in both shooting and cc. The claim that you suddenly have a rule that breaks the basics without explicit permission is usually the sign that your wrong. The ability to pick where the wounds start allocation does not mean you can change allocation.

In specific, you roll on the DI chart and fail by X generating a wound pool of X. You then can assign X wounds to the unit. You have to then use either CC or Shooting rules for allocation. Either way, you allocate a wound to a target and continue until the Wound pool is empty. Both rules are consistent in this manner (pg 15 and 25).

Nothing in the DI rule states that it allows you to spread the wounds.

Lungpickle wrote:
So in all cases you allow ate to one till dead and move on, which has been made clear by the rules. Now introduce this rule and on multi wound models you get to bring back wound allocation shenanigans. Those wounds are the result of loosing close combat, and should hiwpi be allocated to one till it's dead then move on. It clear how GW want wounds to be done. Just do it that way, don't be that effing guy.

No it is not that in all cases you allocate to one until dead. It is in the Shooting and CC rules(and exploding transports use the shooting rules) that specify you allocate on 1 til dead then move on to the next.

Exploding vehicles have no Allocation rules(we don't know if it is closest models first, or allocated by either player)

Fragile wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
You're pretty consistent in your viewpoint that following the rules is being "that effing guy".
That makes no sense.

Well, in this case you have a set of rules that is specific in how wound allocation goes to multiwound models in both shooting and cc. The claim that you suddenly have a rule that breaks the basics without explicit permission is usually the sign that your wrong. The ability to pick where the wounds start allocation does not mean you can change allocation.

In specific, you roll on the DI chart and fail by X generating a wound pool of X. You then can assign X wounds to the unit. You have to then use either CC or Shooting rules for allocation. Either way, you allocate a wound to a target and continue until the Wound pool is empty. Both rules are consistent in this manner (pg 15 and 25).

Nothing in the DI rule states that it allows you to spread the wounds.

The bolded is an incorrect statement. You have instructions in the DI rules on how to allocate - using your choice.
You're applying the shooting and CC rules for no reason.
Please support your argument with actual rules - why are you inserting the CC or shooting rules requirement (and please be precise - when you can't pin down which ones must be referenced your argument is even weaker).

allocated by the controlling player

This means the controlling player has full choice upon the matter does it not?

rigeld2 wrote:

Fragile wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
You're pretty consistent in your viewpoint that following the rules is being "that effing guy".
That makes no sense.

Well, in this case you have a set of rules that is specific in how wound allocation goes to multiwound models in both shooting and cc. The claim that you suddenly have a rule that breaks the basics without explicit permission is usually the sign that your wrong. The ability to pick where the wounds start allocation does not mean you can change allocation.

In specific, you roll on the DI chart and fail by X generating a wound pool of X. You then can assign X wounds to the unit. You have to then use either CC or Shooting rules for allocation. Either way, you allocate a wound to a target and continue until the Wound pool is empty. Both rules are consistent in this manner (pg 15 and 25).

Nothing in the DI rule states that it allows you to spread the wounds.

The bolded is an incorrect statement. You have instructions in the DI rules on how to allocate - using your choice.
You're applying the shooting and CC rules for no reason.
Please support your argument with actual rules - why are you inserting the CC or shooting rules requirement (and please be precise - when you can't pin down which ones must be referenced your argument is even weaker).

Without using reference to CC or Shooting, explain how to generate a wound pool and allocate wounds then.

Fragile wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Fragile wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
You're pretty consistent in your viewpoint that following the rules is being "that effing guy".
That makes no sense.

Well, in this case you have a set of rules that is specific in how wound allocation goes to multiwound models in both shooting and cc. The claim that you suddenly have a rule that breaks the basics without explicit permission is usually the sign that your wrong. The ability to pick where the wounds start allocation does not mean you can change allocation.

In specific, you roll on the DI chart and fail by X generating a wound pool of X. You then can assign X wounds to the unit. You have to then use either CC or Shooting rules for allocation. Either way, you allocate a wound to a target and continue until the Wound pool is empty. Both rules are consistent in this manner (pg 15 and 25).

Nothing in the DI rule states that it allows you to spread the wounds.

The bolded is an incorrect statement. You have instructions in the DI rules on how to allocate - using your choice.
You're applying the shooting and CC rules for no reason.
Please support your argument with actual rules - why are you inserting the CC or shooting rules requirement (and please be precise - when you can't pin down which ones must be referenced your argument is even weaker).

Without using reference to CC or Shooting, explain how to generate a wound pool and allocate wounds then.

The wounds are generated using the rules for Demonic Instability (ie, there's one wound for every point of difference in combat resolution).
DI also tells you how to allocate those wounds (owners choice).

Have you found any rules that support your position yet, or are you going to continue to ask questions that have already been answered?

Sure.

We first roll a ld test.

We then subtract our rolled number by our unit's Ld value.

These are our Wounds.

Now We allocate those wounds as we see fit.

rigeld2 wrote:
The wounds are generated using the rules for Demonic Instability (ie, there's one wound for every point of difference in combat resolution).
DI also tells you how to allocate those wounds (owners choice).

Have you found any rules that support your position yet, or are you going to continue to ask questions that have already been answered?

So where in the DI rule, are rules for Wound Pool, Allocation, Saves, etc.. So far your only argument is "because it doesnt say I can't"

That's a lie, actually.

Allocated by the controlling player. No further restrictions, means the owning player allocates the wounds

They have quoted instructions which grant permission to create Wounds and these said Allocate Wounds, instructions which do not contain the restriction you keep wishing to bind people to.

Fragile wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
The wounds are generated using the rules for Demonic Instability (ie, there's one wound for every point of difference in combat resolution).
DI also tells you how to allocate those wounds (owners choice).

Have you found any rules that support your position yet, or are you going to continue to ask questions that have already been answered?

So where in the DI rule, are rules for Wound Pool, Allocation, Saves, etc.. So far your only argument is "because it doesnt say I can't"

I've answered the first two. Saves are not restricted solely to shooting/CC so that's a red herring. Anything else?
It's not "it doesn't say I can't". Stop misrepresenting. In a permissive rule set you apply no rules other than what you're told. You e shown no evidence for inserting the Shooting and CC rules that require allocation to the closest model - you've said that they apply but haven't shown actual rules support. I'm not sure you've cited a single rule yet. Please do so, especially if they support your argument.

Fragile wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
The wounds are generated using the rules for Demonic Instability (ie, there's one wound for every point of difference in combat resolution).
DI also tells you how to allocate those wounds (owners choice).

Have you found any rules that support your position yet, or are you going to continue to ask questions that have already been answered?

So where in the DI rule, are rules for Wound Pool, Allocation, Saves, etc.. So far your only argument is "because it doesnt say I can't"

I posted the Answer to the about 13 hours before you posted the question to Rigeld; Do you just want him to Copy-paste my answer?