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Not quite sure if this was the best place to put this discussion, feel free to let me know of a better place.

Now for the meat of the topic; What I want the chapter to excel at. I'll keep it short and sweet.

- Drop-Podding in to enemy weak-points
- Close-Quarters firefights
- Urban Warfare
- Assassinations/High-Priority captures. (insert reasonable marines)

Stealth is something I can live with or w/o. It's honestly something I would assume is based on the mission at the time.

So which Primarch should these Marines call father? Which legion/chapter do the resemble most? For S&G, I'll take some paint scheme suggestions.

sounds from the first three they should be IH (hard as nails) or Imperial Fists (fortify everything)

the last one suggests Raven Guard... bit of an outlier there tbh...

depends also on the name of the chapter. do you have one?

I cant remember who said it, but I read recently that a good name must work in the singular instance: Salamanders -> a Salamander etc

Colours can be derived from names a lot easier than tactics, although I am seeing *a lot* of hazard stripes XD

hope that helps

Blood Angels really. None of the legions beyond maybe the Alpha Legion was in to the Assassination. And none really specialized in urban warfare, I don't think it exist for Astrates really in the modern sense.


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 IHateNids wrote:
sounds from the first three they should be IH (hard as nails) or Imperial Fists (fortify everything)

the last one suggests Raven Guard... bit of an outlier there tbh...

depends also on the name of the chapter. do you have one?

I cant remember who said it, but I read recently that a good name must work in the singular instance: Salamanders -> a Salamander etc

Colours can be derived from names a lot easier than tactics, although I am seeing *a lot* of hazard stripes XD

hope that helps

IF you are going to take urban warfare as Seige warfare, then really he is looking more at a Fallen legion like the Iron Warriors. They will bring everything but stealth (and loyalty to the Emperor)

 IHateNids wrote:
sounds from the first three they should be IH (hard as nails) or Imperial Fists (fortify everything)

the last one suggests Raven Guard... bit of an outlier there tbh...

depends also on the name of the chapter. do you have one?

I cant remember who said it, but I read recently that a good name must work in the singular instance: Salamanders -> a Salamander etc

Colours can be derived from names a lot easier than tactics, although I am seeing *a lot* of hazard stripes XD

hope that helps

I'm sorry, none of the first three items really suggest anything to do with Iron Hands or Imperial Fists.

TBH, combat style, name, and color scheme generally doesn't have much to do with the founding legion/chapter, the marines physical/mental traits on the other hand do (for example: Carcharadons are believed to be Raven Guard successors due to white skin and black eyes/hair. Blood Angels successors all have red thirst, etc.).

Everything implies they need to be very tough, wich IH are, what with their affinity for Bionics

ArcCaptain wrote:
Not quite sure if this was the best place to put this discussion, feel free to let me know of a better place.

Now for the meat of the topic; What I want the chapter to excel at. I'll keep it short and sweet.

- Drop-Podding in to enemy weak-points
- Close-Quarters firefights
- Urban Warfare
- Assassinations/High-Priority captures. (insert reasonable marines)

Stealth is something I can live with or w/o. It's honestly something I would assume is based on the mission at the time.

So which Primarch should these Marines call father? Which legion/chapter do the resemble most? For S&G, I'll take some paint scheme suggestions.

Definitely sounds like it could be a Raven Guard successor.

Thank you all for the informative replies and discussion. I will say (not that I'm disagreeing) that the IH reply is an interesting one.
I agree with BA since it's in their blood to deep strike.
I agree with IF because unless I'm mistaken, their fluff does mention urban fighting.
I agree with RG due to my chapter sort of being like an urban version of the raptors.


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Another trait they have that's not really a doctrine so much as it is a quirk, is they have an over-active Omophagea. Meaning not only do they gain knowledge from eating part of the fallen, they crave it. Almost like they desire tactical info so much so, that they would cut out an enemy's (or ally's) heart and eat it so they can better understand the enemy.

I was agreeing with the Imperial Fists or Iron Hands suggestions, but after reading that last bit I'd agree with Blood Angels.

What Codex are you planning to use? If you use the Standard SM Codex you could say that the Red Thirst had mutated into this craving for flesh to gain knowledge or something.

I was thinking of using raptors chapter tactics since my fellow gamers don't mind us using FW chapters. That UM or BA


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I'm honestly not sure which dex to use. I like a multitude of things from each

So upon talking to my Dark Angel buddy, he had mentioned that the Dark Angels, being as secretive as they are, could reasonably spawn a chapter based on assassinating and capturing the enemy for interrogations.

Problem with that is DA geneseed tends to be very pure with no mutations.

The Founding Legion doesn't really have any bearing on what a Chatper behaves like. It's something of a misconception among fans.

The Mantis Warriors, for example, are descended from the White Scars, and yet have no predilection towards bikes or landspeeders. 66% of Chapters are Ultramarines, and chapters descending from the Ultramarines are quite varied ranging from the stalwarts like the Novamarines, to the cagey and morose Mortificators. The Aurora Chapter, for example, loves tanks, even though that's not really a hallmark of the Ultramarines.

Depending on how old/new your Chapters is, it may have developed its own style of warfare based on the culture of its homeworld, or its own experiences.

And don't worry too much about the Chapter Tactics rules. They're literally three months old in a hobby that has been around for 25. Pick the Founding Chapter you want, then use the CTs you feel like.

The best default for Space Marines is Ultramarines. You already know that the Ultramarines are the go-to for new Chapters, and there aren't any pigeonholes to worry about. An Ultramarines Chapter can be pretty much anything you feel like. That, or White Scars as a second bet.

when in doubt assume ultramarines

 Medium of Death wrote:
I was agreeing with the Imperial Fists or Iron Hands suggestions, but after reading that last bit I'd agree with Blood Angels.

What Codex are you planning to use? If you use the Standard SM Codex you could say that the Red Thirst had mutated into this craving for flesh to gain knowledge or something.

Just pointing out that you have pointed out the Flesh Tearers.

Honestly, I believe you are over thinking this equation. Find the Chapter that best suits your archetype of chapter you are building and take them. As pointed out with Ultramarines even they differ from chapter to chapter. I want to build a chapter based off nearly the exact same model you just spelled out in your first post but my home Chapter is the Imperial Fists so they come from there.

Wow, thank you all for the great replies. It's a lot to think about, but in a good way. For example, making them from the ultramarines was something I hadn't thought of at all due to the pre(mis)conceptions that they are nothing but a bunch of stuck up, never deviate from the CA, prissy boys.

Another bit about my chapter is that they love the people of the imperium and when not in combat, try their best to assist humanity in any way.
Their home planet is a Hive/Factorum moon that orbits a giant snowy world where the IG specialize in trench warfare. Where of course they assist in repelling invasions whenever possible.

Not sure if any if that is important at all, just kind of wanted to share it.

Also Merry Christmas to all and Happy Holidays!

I would go with the Blood Angels for this.
And also merry Christmas to you

 Medium of Death wrote:


Honestly, I believe you are over thinking this equation. Find the Chapter that best suits your archetype of chapter you are building and take them. As pointed out with Ultramarines even they differ from chapter to chapter. I want to build a chapter based off nearly the exact same model you just spelled out in your first post but my home Chapter is the Imperial Fists so they come from there.

Which I agree with, but that's where I draw my confusion. I'm wondering who they share the most similarities with.

Ill toss in a vote. Space Wolves

- Drop-Podding in to enemy weak-points
Drop pods are a dedicated transport for pretty much everything in the book.

- Close-Quarters firefights
Grey hunters are arguably the best marine troops in the game. Wolf guard in PA can take combi weapons for devastating fights.

- Urban Warfare
Not really sure what you mean by this.

- Assassinations/High-Priority captures. (insert reasonable marines)
Rune priests JoTWW is a great sniping tool. No rolls to hit, just straight up point and click, that dude falls into the ground.
Logan Grimnar assassinated grey knights grand master Joros after Joros opened fire on SW vessels, after asking the SW to negotiate terms of peace. Then, Grimnar Killed lord inquisitor Kysnaros to end the war.

I believe that SW are still one of the better drop pod armies, especially when using wolf guard with combi weapons. You can drop down, pop a few vehicles, and you don't mind taking a charge due to counter attack.

I actually agree with this. I had been thinking about sing SW for a long time.
Only thing about their dex that I do not like is that their vets don't get special ammo (though combi weapons are nice) adn that they're scouts dont have the best wargear options (no cloaks)
The urban warfare thing is more fluff than anything else. It's basically me just saying they are a chapter that excels in fighting in close range/tight corridor firefights.

 BunkerBob wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I was agreeing with the Imperial Fists or Iron Hands suggestions, but after reading that last bit I'd agree with Blood Angels.

What Codex are you planning to use? If you use the Standard SM Codex you could say that the Red Thirst had mutated into this craving for flesh to gain knowledge or something.

Just pointing out that you have pointed out the Flesh Tearers.

Honestly, I believe you are over thinking this equation. Find the Chapter that best suits your archetype of chapter you are building and take them. As pointed out with Ultramarines even they differ from chapter to chapter. I want to build a chapter based off nearly the exact same model you just spelled out in your first post but my home Chapter is the Imperial Fists so they come from there.

I would repeat this choice again. Fluff wise that seems to be the best option.

But just to throw you a curve ball. Since the science of making genetically enhanced super-soldiers has fallen by the way-side
since the Emperor used to walk with the Adeptus Astartus.
You can pretty much justify using any of the Chapter Tactics with any of the founding Chapters.

My question for you is, how does the geography of the home planet make the chapter focus upon a particular warfare specialty?

Iron hands or raven guard would be my choice. Lean more to the iron hands side as they are pretty indestructible if you get them right, or at least they were in 5th.....
They also have some really cool models in the FW range. I'm sure raven guard will get some pretty funky ones too when their time comes but right now on rules and models I'd go with the iron hands.