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And the LE 40k set lasted what? A week or so? One can only hope that this forces GW to study their new price schemes a little.

...To be fair DV was pretty decent value for money, anyway.

If DV was good value for money, then Escape from Goblin Town should also be considered good value for money.

Think about it:
-Scenery
-56 miniatures, including plastic versions of two of the three named Wizards
-The new rulebook, the first new one released for LOTR in 7 years

In DV you got:
-48 miniatures
-The new rulebook for a game where the last one came out 4 years ago

It's 75 pounds for the Escape from Goblin Town LE set and 61.50 pounds for the standard DV set.

If you think about licensing costs as well, Escape from Goblin Town is good value as well. And if you look at the Lego set, it costs 79.99 pounds. Now THAT'S ridiculous, especially when you consider that Lego is geared towards young children.

Why do you expect the rulebook to have profiles? You don't get profiles in DV.


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The reason why the set may not be selling so much is because the game is less popular, and the movies are less popular.

150 is still very steep for LoTR, considering now the rule book doesn't have any profiles for models and now I have to buy the 40 dollar codex things, it might be tolerable if Lotr's minis weren't a much lesser quality of sculpt then the other two
I am not paying that much for that crap
it was fine when it was 22 dollars for 24 models, but 35 for 12
I mean the goblins are 18 for 40 but...can you even make an army of them?
lotr used to be the easy one to get into, now its just as annoying and time consuming as the rest (and expensive)

but as the Ferengi say; only fools pay retail
(the internet is my shopping mall and one man's disinterest is my gain)

 RiTides wrote:

That Radagast model is sweet! But looks to be available for a reasonable price on ebay, if I decide I must have it... as I wouldn't want all the other minis.

Really? I can only see it for $20-40+ which is pretty gougey IMO.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
If DV was good value for money, then Escape from Goblin Town should also be considered good value for money.

Think about it:
-Scenery
-56 miniatures, including plastic versions of two of the three named Wizards
-The new rulebook, the first new one released for LOTR in 7 years

In DV you got:
-48 miniatures
-The new rulebook for a game where the last one came out 4 years ago

It's 75 pounds for the Escape from Goblin Town LE set and 61.50 pounds for the standard DV set.

If you think about licensing costs as well, Escape from Goblin Town is good value as well. And if you look at the Lego set, it costs 79.99 pounds. Now THAT'S ridiculous, especially when you consider that Lego is geared towards young children.

Why do you expect the rulebook to have profiles? You don't get profiles in DV.


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The reason why the set may not be selling so much is because the game is less popular, and the movies are less popular.

...Yeah, sure. Except those DV models have a *little more variation, detail and bulk to them - saying the EfGT set comes close to DV is rubbish - unless you actually value that ridonculous piece of price-gouging terrain worth 20+ quid - and even then it's a stretch.

...and I actually like many of the EfGT models quite a bit - more to my taste than a lot of DV...

Are the new minis snap fit like the old ones? I used to love that about them.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Are the new minis snap fit like the old ones? I used to love that about them.

I can do you one better, in that case: most of the set is single-part. the terrain will need glue of course, and the goblin king and some of the heroes come in a few parts as well but any 10 year old can build this in half an afternoon
One thing you can say for it is that for it's lack of any poseability, the set is extremely beginner-friendly/low maintenance.

That's LOTR though. It's how it's always been.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
That's LOTR though. It's how it's always been.

Not complaining, just answering a question
And really, for single-pose stuff those goblins are pretty awesome. I just plain refuse to pay that kind of money for small PS single pose minis

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
That's LOTR though. It's how it's always been.

except now far more expensive and next to no player base

Efgt is good value when you can get it discounted as was dark vengeance (which ltd ed is still available in many shops)

Over all the sculpts are usual lotr flair +1.

Yeah, I noticed a local Hobby Town had The Hobbit starter set for $85 instead of $125, the limited edition, too. I was tempted to get it just because it was discounted so much, but as much as I liked the movie I'm not all that interested in getting the models.

 scipio.au wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

That Radagast model is sweet! But looks to be available for a reasonable price on ebay, if I decide I must have it... as I wouldn't want all the other minis.

Really? I can only see it for $20-40+ which is pretty gougey IMO.

I see a bunch of completed ones in the neighborhood of $20 after shipping:

In the US:
$17.50 + $4 shipping

In Canada:
$14.50 + $6 shipping

In the UK:
$13.98 + $8 shipping

I find $20 shipped for a limited edition figure to be pretty reasonable. Like I said, if that's the only model I want, it's highly preferable to having to buy the whole box set and try to sell off the rest...

Edit: I didn't realize the LE set was $125 . Knowing that, I'd be even happier to pay $20 for the one LE model from it! I think GW must have thought there would be more demand than there has been...

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
That's LOTR though. It's how it's always been.

except now far more expensive and next to no player base

Not really, you may not see them in stores.

So in practice, the limited edition starter box (with the 50% price increase to the old starter) is the new unlimited starter box, as noone can get the real unlimited box for quite some time.
And all this for a LE wacko wizard with bird droppings in his hair, not really the hero every teen dreams about.

@ExNoctemNacimur: Just counting the number of miniatures in a starter box means comparing Goblin miniatures with Terminator miniatures. Not even GW thinks that they are worth the same. And the Hobbit rulebook will probably last 1 year until the next starter box December 2013.

 Kroothawk wrote:
So in practice, the limited edition starter box (with the 50% price increase to the old starter) is the new unlimited starter box, as noone can get the real unlimited box for quite some time.
And all this for a LE wacko wizard with bird droppings in his hair, not really the hero every teen dreams about.

To be fair, the starter box has more good guys than the 9 members of the Fellowship in the last set: Thorin's company, Bilbo, Gandalf and if the LE set, Radagast. And more bad guys tha the 24 Moria goblins and troll: 36 Goblins, Goblin king and three other goblin characters. So you do get 50% more figures (34 in old set and 56 in new) for that 50% price increase. If you shop around you can get it cheaper (I got mine for about $85 from the WarStore during thier Black Friday sale). So yep, it is more expensive, but has more figures too.

According to wiki Bolg will be in a later movie as a torturer in Dol-Guldur.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 deathstreak2000 wrote:
I really hope they don't change the game too much, LoTR SBG is probably my favourite system and I'd hate to see it go!

I just hope they fix the fight system. I'm sick and tired of auto-losing just because my opponent can roll 6's and has a point higher fight value!

What's the fething problem with a proper WS bases system? Right now the SBG is far too skewed towards Good, and Evil players are forced to either play Uruk-Hai or else you have to shoehorn as many big characters and gribblies as possible into your warbands.

go play hobbits where everything is stronger then you

Experiment 626 wrote:

 deathstreak2000 wrote:
I really hope they don't change the game too much, LoTR SBG is probably my favourite system and I'd hate to see it go!

I just hope they fix the fight system. I'm sick and tired of auto-losing just because my opponent can roll 6's and has a point higher fight value!

What's the fething problem with a proper WS bases system? Right now the SBG is far too skewed towards Good, and Evil players are forced to either play Uruk-Hai or else you have to shoehorn as many big characters and gribblies as possible into your warbands.

Well . . . no.

The fight system ends up being quite balanced with the difficulty to wound other warriors. And there's always Fate. I play Mordor, Harad (generally without the Mumakil), Easterlings and Khand and I've been perfectly fine. I also play Arnor, and I've been fine with them as well.

New minis up for advance order
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat970003a&rootCatGameStyle=athletic

The riddles in the dark set looks nice but quite expensive for two relatively small models and a small boat.

Plastic Great Eagles?

I'm getting some. Not only are they useful allies for my Arnor force, they would be great for my Wood Elves!

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Plastic Great Eagles?

I'm getting some. Not only are they useful allies for my Arnor force, they would be great for my Wood Elves!

The price is the same as the metal ones, but they're sure to be easier to base.

Yeah, that's the real reason. Easier to paint and convert as well.

Just for completeness:
Great Eagles (plastic, 2):


Gwaihir (Finecast):


Fell Wargs (Plastic):


Riddles in the Dark (Finecast):

Those eagles seem good value for their size. I must pick some up.

I've already ordered some Wargs I've somehow, throughout Christmas, managed to end up with the whole Hobbit range (apart from the rulebook and the trolls)

I'm gonna use the orcs with my uruk hai (if it works that way, i'm stupidly new at playing)

The eagles do look pretty good (although I can't see the cost, GW's site is down for maintenance atm).

Eagles are $50
Wargs are $30
Riddles is $35
I didn't bother looking at Gwaihir since he was finecast. Wasn't sure Riddles was until I checked it.

Well the eagles look great! I don`t see the point of buying Gwaihir seeing as you could just repose one of the plastic eagles and get that exact same model and have a "spare" eagle remaining for almost the same price!