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(and the GPU is likely underpowered compared to the XBone and PS4).

First of all really?

the PS3 and Xbox both use APU systems. Shared Graphics and Memory. an intel i5 will destroy a ps3 and XBO on CPU power alone. In fact the GPU has more computing power than both of them combined, on its own. then there is the fact that the GPU has standalone 2GB of GDDR5 soly for graphics use. Where as the Xbox has 8 GB of shared DDR3 memory. 4 gb for graphics 4 gb for processing. And GDDR5 is stupidly faster that DDR3. DDR3 in the Xbox is only 1600mhz at full wack, will probably only run at 1333mhz. GDDR 5 is around the 6000mhz mark depending on card manufacturer and clock settings. PS4 has GDDR5 memory but this is shared between both CPU and GPU. because of the APU system they are using.

I did a little calculation my self here.

AMD HD7870 OC comes with tomb raider and bioshock infinite for free
Intel i5 4430 comes with Grid 2 for free
Corsair GS 600watt PSU
MSI z87 motherboard comes with a free MSI water cooler
8gb crucial ballistic 1600mhz of ram
Average PC case
120GB SSD this could be swapped for a 500 gb hdd for half of its price.
wireless keyboard and mouse.
Windows 8 home

with the exchange rate that's 850 dollars.

I have purposely left off the price of a monitor, as if you want to be fair, a ps4 or an xbo does not come with a HD ready tv. so thets assume you allready own this and a pc can be hooked up to any HD V just as easy as a PS4 or XBO.

And what you get is a PC capable of playing any brand new game at high settings on DX11.


hen thets not forget everything else a PC can do. compared to the consoles.

 cerbrus2 wrote:
the PS3 and Xbox both use APU systems.

I know but I guess I underestimated the processing power comparison apparently XD

And what you get is a PC capable of playing any brand new game at high settings on DX11.

I was shooting for low to try and best match the cost of the consoles themselves. But you can go and make your assumptions about my bias. I've already been accused on being a fanboy.

 LordofHats wrote:

 cerbrus2 wrote:
the PS3 and Xbox both use APU systems.

I know but I guess I underestimated the processing power comparison apparently XD

And what you get is a PC capable of playing any brand new game at high settings on DX11.

I was shooting for low to try and best match the cost of the consoles themselves. But you can go and make your assumptions about my bias. I've already been accused on being a fanboy.

your not a Fanboy you like what ever you like. thats just the way we humies are

Just pre-ordered the day 1 BONE - I MUST BE A COD KIDDIE ERMAGHERD

Can't wait for that sweet, sweet Forza rumbling through my home theatre system.


Sigvatr's posts are hilarious. Is the last page really about building PCs? Come on guys.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Just pre-ordered the day 1 BONE.

Can't wait for that sweet, sweet Forza rumbling through my home theatre system.

Yeah i'm pumped, can't wait to play Dead Rising, looks freaking amazing.

 cerbrus2 wrote:

the PS3 and Xbox both use APU systems. Shared Graphics and Memory. an intel i5 will destroy a ps3 and XBO on CPU power alone. In fact the GPU has more computing power than both of them combined, on its own. then there is the fact that the GPU has standalone 2GB of GDDR5 soly for graphics use. Where as the Xbox has 8 GB of shared DDR3 memory. 4 gb for graphics 4 gb for processing. And GDDR5 is stupidly faster that DDR3. DDR3 in the Xbox is only 1600mhz at full wack, will probably only run at 1333mhz. GDDR 5 is around the 6000mhz mark depending on card manufacturer and clock settings. PS4 has GDDR5 memory but this is shared between both CPU and GPU. because of the APU system they are using.

I did a little calculation my self here.
*snip*

While I don't think sony has commented specifically on the PS4 operating system, the xbone RAM is divided between gaming and the OS interface to enable the instant switching from game to movie to whatever. They said in one of the earlier initial announcement interviews that 2gb of RAM is dedicated to the OS. For gaming specifically, it'll only have 6gb to share between cpu and gpu. I don't think they specificed if it was divided evenly between cpu/gpu as your example mentions as well but it's possible i missed it. Dividing the remaining 6gb rigidly is unlikely though because the PS3 ran into alot of issues this generation because its RAM was permanently divided whereas the 360 let the program/app/game decide how to divvy it up.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Just pre-ordered the day 1 BONE - I MUST BE A COD KIDDIE ERMAGHERD

Can't wait for that sweet, sweet Forza rumbling through my home theatre system.


Sigvatr's posts are hilarious. Is the last page really about building PCs? Come on guys.

You're a Forza fanboy then, swings either way

Seriously though, why wouldn't you compare consoles to PCs? In short, next-gen consoles do the very same thing any PC does. They are PCs. Less trouble with installation due to the same hardware, but fall short of being as flexible as a PC. And if they come at a similar or same prize as a PC, they are useless.

Well most people own both, I have a super PC and I want an xbox one, one goes in my office the other in my living room.

I still have my old SNES

 Sigvatr wrote:
I still have my old SNES

Sadly I had a Sega Genesis. I love me some Toe Jame and Earl


I am also looking forward to Ryse, looks badass.

It looks badass, ye. The combat, however, looked absolutely terrible. I mean, I like QTE like in God of War. But really, QTE to fight people? That's...annoying.

 pities2004 wrote:
Well most people own both, I have a super PC and I want an xbox one, one goes in my office the other in my living room.

Yep, this is basically me as well.

My super computer is to crush photoshop, and a few games; but that certainly isn't its focus.

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Just pre-ordered the day 1 BONE

Whatever for?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Just pre-ordered the day 1 BONE

Whatever for?

Cuz I'm a COD kiddie duh

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Just pre-ordered the day 1 BONE

Whatever for?

Maybe he needs a new type of TV remote control after a horrible bilateral amputation accident... or a webcam.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Rule one folks, lets not start losing it over which console is best please, leave that to dedicated fanboy boards if you will. Dislike, anger direct at the companies for decision making etc is fine, taking pot shots at one another because you prefer console a over console b is not!

Sarcastic though they may me, both the reasons I stated are actually valid reasons to choose to buy the xbone.

List of countries where the Xbox 1 will actually work:

Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live Countries

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States

Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions.


http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer

Essentially, you can't buy it if you live in any other country, and if you bring it there, it's pretty much bricked.

Strike all non-US countries (maybe except Canada) off the list for not being able to use most of the console's features.

I'd expect no exception for Canada. I still can't watch videos on a lot of American websites.

Meanwhile, in a place where comsumers might not come first but are at least respected:

Region free PS4!
Freedom to trade/sell/keep/break games at will.
No mandated activation or authentication!
And no camera that's watching you all the time that you cannot unplug.

Except for y'know, the authentication associated with whatever developers/publishers decide to put on the games...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Except for y'know, the authentication associated with whatever developers/publishers decide to put on the games...

Doesn't matter trying to explain any of this. People will not listen or try and grasp what is actually going on. MS is moving console gaming forward and the people who resist moving forward will look back and wonder why people couldn't see the change coming. The online requirements, the focus on digital, it's going to be like moving from renting at Blockbuster to streaming Netflix instantly from your home. People are shortsighted and people fear change. The games developers are already moving on - whether or not the console always requires online authentication, the games will - and already are.

MS is making a bold move in forcing the technology and paradigm of console gaming forward. People who want to stay in the past and not progress are welcome to buy a PS4. I'm sure they'll be online and buying digital once it becomes the norm anyway.

Anyone who considers always online DRM 'moving forward' needs to reexamine their concept of progress. It's one thing to say people are crying over spilled milk and they should just accept the inevitable, it's another to call an a feature that offers a consumer no benefit and is done solely to please an illogical special interest of game publishers progressive. People can accept something and still be upset with it and just because a company is changing the business doesn't mean that change is positive.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Except for y'know, the authentication associated with whatever developers/publishers decide to put on the games...

Doesn't matter trying to explain any of this. People will not listen or try and grasp what is actually going on. MS is moving console gaming forward and the people who resist moving forward will look back and wonder why people couldn't see the change coming. The online requirements, the focus on digital, it's going to be like moving from renting at Blockbuster to streaming Netflix instantly from your home. People are shortsighted and people fear change. The games developers are already moving on - whether or not the console always requires online authentication, the games will - and already are.

MS is making a bold move in forcing the technology and paradigm of console gaming forward. People who want to stay in the past and not progress are welcome to buy a PS4. I'm sure they'll be online and buying digital once it becomes the norm anyway.

You're the type who would aggressively defend aggressive wasps if they exclusively nested inside Xbox products aren't you? Apparently you're also the type who missed that I can get Netflix and all the other magic services the Xbone is providing... GASP! A bunch of other places! Including my T.V.! Don't even have to turn the Xbox on! You also missed the bit where this thing is already a dud in the global market because, hey! Seems it doesn't even function in a lot of countries and the countries that can use it can't use a lot of these special features. Nor is internet access as regular as you seem to think it is world wide. Or even here in the United States. MS is making a stupid move that's a flop technologically, marketing wise and just on basic user friendliness. This mistake will hopefully be quickly swept under the rug of history.

I think the XBone could have gotten by without this negative PR if Microsoft simply wasn't handling it so badly. Take for example the sailor who explained that he wouldn't have reliable internet at sea and asked what could be done so he could use an XBone. The Microsoft Rep simply told him to get a 360. That's just bad PR.

Sony is skating by any negative attention right now simply because they just have to sit back and lash out at all of Microsoft's mistakes (mistakes that is in the PR war). Their tongue and cheek video about sharing games was a brilliant move on their part. Even if you are totally going forward with the XBone I don't think you can deny that those 22 seconds were masterfully crafted to appeal directly to the consumers upset about the issue.

Everyone will happily overlook whatever Sony does for now simply because Sony can point their finger at Microsoft and say "hey, at least we're not that guy."

 Starfarer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Except for y'know, the authentication associated with whatever developers/publishers decide to put on the games...

MS is making a bold move in forcing the technology and paradigm of console gaming forward.

I admit, I find it difficult to take seriously anyone who uses the word 'paradigm' outside of a joke about management-speak .

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 daedalus-templarius wrote:
Just pre-ordered the day 1 BONE

Whatever for?

He has a voyeurism fetish obviously. Why anyone in their right mind would ever buy something that could potentially cost you more money by making you purchase additional user licenses to watch a movie with a large group of people is beyond me.

 LordofHats wrote:
Anyone who considers always online DRM 'moving forward' needs to reexamine their concept of progress. It's one thing to say people are crying over spilled milk and they should just accept the inevitable, it's another to call an a feature that offers a consumer no benefit and is done solely to please an illogical special interest of game publishers progressive. People can accept something and still be upset with it and just because a company is changing the business doesn't mean that change is positive.

They should accept the inevitable. Everyone considers iTunes a normal concept but it was revolutionary 10 years ago. No one complains they don't own the movies they watch on Netflix. No one seems to realize sharing your game library with 10 people online is a lot easier than handing one disc over to a friend physically. No one talks about how Steam has been running a similar system for ages with no possibility for sharing, and how publishers can offer lower prices and massive sale through that platform. It is the publishers who set those prices, not Steam, so it is very likely that Xbox will have similar price stratgies with their authentication in place for developers. Every single gaming forum I've read, when this scenario is presented, people say they are willing to accept DRM for lower prices. So really how much to people values their consumer rights to physical media when they state willingly they will forego it for a slight discount?

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Except for y'know, the authentication associated with whatever developers/publishers decide to put on the games...

Doesn't matter trying to explain any of this. People will not listen or try and grasp what is actually going on. MS is moving console gaming forward and the people who resist moving forward will look back and wonder why people couldn't see the change coming. The online requirements, the focus on digital, it's going to be like moving from renting at Blockbuster to streaming Netflix instantly from your home. People are shortsighted and people fear change. The games developers are already moving on - whether or not the console always requires online authentication, the games will - and already are.

MS is making a bold move in forcing the technology and paradigm of console gaming forward. People who want to stay in the past and not progress are welcome to buy a PS4. I'm sure they'll be online and buying digital once it becomes the norm anyway.

You're the type who would aggressively defend aggressive wasps if they exclusively nested inside Xbox products aren't you? Apparently you're also the type who missed that I can get Netflix and all the other magic services the Xbone is providing... GASP! A bunch of other places! Including my T.V.! Don't even have to turn the Xbox on! You also missed the bit where this thing is already a dud in the global market because, hey! Seems it doesn't even function in a lot of countries and the countries that can use it can't use a lot of these special features. Nor is internet access as regular as you seem to think it is world wide. Or even here in the United States. MS is making a stupid move that's a flop technologically, marketing wise and just on basic user friendliness. This mistake will hopefully be quickly swept under the rug of history.

Congratulations on not grasping a single concept of what I was addressing. I mentioned Netflix as an analogy to the outdated concept of physical rentals from a store, not as a feature. If that is over your head I would be wasting my time explaining the rest of the concepts to you. You also fail to see it is functional in nearly every market current consoles are functional. The lack of internet connectivity worldwide is not my concern. It's like saying people should not bother developing smart phones with 4G speeds because part of the world doesn't have the infrastructure. Sorry, I'm not going to worry about rural areas not having state of the art technology, and it certainly should be a reason to hold back progress in the parts of the world that can utilize such technology. Bottom line, it the product isn't suited for you, it doesn't mean people that can use it should not have access to it because there are people who don't.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Except for y'know, the authentication associated with whatever developers/publishers decide to put on the games...

Kan... sometimes it seems as if just you go out of your way to defend something as blindly as possible.

1. Publishers can do this already, and have.
2. It has nothing to do with the PS4's restrictions (or lack thereof) vs the XBone's built in core restrictions.

The fact that you can't or won't acknowledge this speaks more to a blind fanaticism than anything else.