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 DeathReaper wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
Does maledictions say it inflicts rules? nope, just inflicts special rules..

Demonstrably false...

So this RAW line on pg 68 is a lie?
"reducing their characteristics OR inflicting penalizing SPECIAL RULES"

We agree the difficult terrain is a rule, maledictions state specifically and unequivocally, it's a special rule.

No, the blurb on page 68 is just a simple explanation of what the Special Rules on pages 32-43 and in the Codexes do.

DT is a rule, Enfeeble, when cast is a rule. It is not in a Codex and it is not on page 32-43 so it is not a Special Rule, just a rule (An advanced rule that over-rides the basic rule about open terrain converting it to difficult).

I get what you're saying, but it's not a blurb it's a rule. Maledictions do 1 of 2 things. it's either a modifier or a special rule. Those 2 quote you list on pg 32 say one is the common rules, the other is for abilities. Surely if "different powers are cumulative" don't mean the same powers don't stack. Then 2 examples of where to find special rules also does not necessarily mean all.

And yes Nos it's just one power. It's "A" melediction. Singular. It's "The power". Again singular.

 hyv3mynd wrote:

Using "different maledictions are cumulative" as an argument against similar powers is intent since there isn't a single rule restricting to multiple modifier process for similar powers. That sentence can also be parsed as "additional maledictions are cumulative" with a dictionary synonym for "different".

In this context it absolutely can't. 'Same' and 'different' are used very specifically in the psychic power rules (and in whole BRB in fact; see: 'special rules'.) They must mean 'power with the same name' and power with a different name' or the rule about a psyker not being able to cast same power twice breaks.

Reminders worded in other powers for cumulative resolution are also dismissed as intent because they don't address the powers in question, and codexes have different authors across different editions.

Chaos codex has clause that a power stacks on some powers but not on other similar powers. All these powers presumably had a same author. It is not reasonable to assume that these are reminders.

 Crimson wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

Yes, and if you have 2 powers in effect you have 1 terrain effect and -1T for the first one, and and 1 terrain effect and -1T for the second one.

Except when they're the same power. Enfeeble either is in effect or is not.

They are two different castings. so ebfeeble from Psyker A is in effect as is Enfeeble from Psyker B.


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sirlynchmob wrote:
I get what you're saying, but it's not a blurb it's a rule. Maledictions do 1 of 2 things. it's either a modifier or a special rule. Those 2 quote you list on pg 32 say one is the common rules, the other is for abilities. Surely if "different powers are cumulative" don't mean the same powers don't stack. Then 2 examples of where to find special rules also does not necessarily mean all.

And yes Nos it's just one power. It's "A" melediction. Singular. It's "The power". Again singular.

That is not all Maledictions do, as some effects are not Special rules or modifiers...

So Reapers stance is Different equates to different castings. Which is ridiculously obvious even without being said in the rule book. Ofcourse using your counter claim, Different powers =/= mean different castings of the same power.

But instead of leaving it at that and assuming its fact I will back up my claim.

There is no conclusive indication that Different power refers to different castings of the same power. Further more such an indication is subjectivity based on your opinion as it can easily be argued that an alternate interpretation exists. This alternate interpretation is based on multiple factors including the lack of need to distiguish different castings without specific mention of same power listings. Further backed up by clearly stated exceptions in a select few powers but not others of the same author to the alternate interpretation.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

Yes, and if you have 2 powers in effect you have 1 terrain effect and -1T for the first one, and and 1 terrain effect and -1T for the second one.

Except when they're the same power. Enfeeble either is in effect or is not.

They are two different castings. so ebfeeble from Psyker A is in effect as is Enfeeble from Psyker B.


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sirlynchmob wrote:
I get what you're saying, but it's not a blurb it's a rule. Maledictions do 1 of 2 things. it's either a modifier or a special rule. Those 2 quote you list on pg 32 say one is the common rules, the other is for abilities. Surely if "different powers are cumulative" don't mean the same powers don't stack. Then 2 examples of where to find special rules also does not necessarily mean all.

And yes Nos it's just one power. It's "A" melediction. Singular. It's "The power". Again singular.

That is not all Maledictions do, as some effects are not Special rules or modifiers...

pg 418 of the BRB tells us different psykers can have the same power. which would strongly imply different psykers cast the same power. and enfeeble is still the same power as enfeeble regardless of who cast it.
For the LRB since we're looking at enfeeble, it's the page on the left of it.

I only see those two options under maledictions.

Shall we call it here I don't think either of us will change our minds on what the effect of they psychic power is?

Indeed, this doesn't seem to be going anywhere productive, and 20 pages is well and truly long enough for everyone to have made their points.