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seeing as he is a perpetual, that already makes him the most powerful primarch, since he cannot be killed

if im not mistaken, the emperor is not a perpetual......so in terms of pure power vulkan could possibly be the most powerful warrior the imperium has ever seen

The emperor is a perpetual. If they ever fought it would be an endless grindfest of kills and respawns.

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 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
The emperor is a perpetual. If they ever fought it would be an endless grindfest of kills and respawns.

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then why did the emperor put himself on the golden throne? why not just let him die after his battle with horus, and BAM he comes back

Or untill the Emperor got bored and chucked him into a warp pocket for all eternity.

No.

plus. if he was rez'd after the battle with Horus then the plot would advance and we wouldn't have X thousand years of stagnation. we can't have that.....

Being a perpetual doesn't make him the most powerful, just ask Prometheus. Which, now that I think about it, Vulkan being a perpetual makes a whole lot of sense when viewed in terms of the Prometheus mythology.

LightKing wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
The emperor is a perpetual. If they ever fought it would be an endless grindfest of kills and respawns.

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then why did the emperor put himself on the golden throne? why not just let him die after his battle with horus, and BAM he comes back

The Emperor didn't put himself on the Golden Throne, he was dragged there. Plus no one knows that he will come back, in fact not even GW knew that until Vulkan brought it up.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
The emperor is a perpetual. If they ever fought it would be an endless grindfest of kills and respawns.

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More like the Emperor psy-rapes his mind, and Vulkan sticks around as a perpetual, immortal vegetable.

Also, in the same book we find out Vulkan is immortal, we find out there is a weapon that can kill even an immortal. That weapon is an imprint of the Emperor's power in a spear-shaped piece wreckage of some church the Emperor mindblasted into nothing. And, as we see with Horus, the Emperor is capable of annihilating souls.

Emperor wins 100/100, no contest.


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 welshhoppo wrote:

The Emperor didn't put himself on the Golden Throne, he was dragged there. Plus no one knows that he will come back, in fact not even GW knew that until Vulkan brought it up.

The Emperor awoke from a jolt from Malcador (who then died), and gave Dorn explicit instructions on how to modify the golden throne to a life-support machine.

Every perpetual we've seen so far is slightly different (some artificial, some natural), so the Emperor could be a different sort of perpetual than Vulkan's healing factor deal. He could be reborn in the Warp as the Starchild, who knows. Plus, his absence would open the giant warp rift in the heart of the palace and the astronomicon choir would be without direction.

At least the question made a bit of sense this time.

Disregard perpetual crap. Besides the fact that it's crap, it's also not done with yet - the next horrible heresy book could introduce the Perpetuals' super deathly allergy to cheese because they're new creations for the series with no firm rules.
But presumably they're not truly immortal, as I believe one of them talks to another about how few of them there are left in Know No Fear, if I recall correctly.

Animus wrote:
Disregard perpetual crap. Besides the fact that it's crap, it's also not done with yet - the next horrible heresy book could introduce the Perpetuals' super deathly allergy to cheese because they're new creations for the series with no firm rules.
But presumably they're not truly immortal, as I believe one of them talks to another about how few of them there are left in Know No Fear, if I recall correctly.

I think the perpetuals are a cool addition that really grow the story and inform some of the mystery.

You should probably read more before you comment further because you're ignorant of some of the facts you need to know to discuss perpetuals.

Emp is a perpetual, it is clearly stated in many BL HH novels by Grammaticus and others.

So then it comes down to would the Emp woop Vulcan, the answer is yes. Emp is the most powerful psyker ever to live and is an order of magnitude above a primarch. He could destroy Vulcan's soul and sever his body from the warp energies fueling his regenerations. Vulkan is awesome but he would be relegated to punching. Punching a god. So ya... not much of a competition really. Assuming this is the Emperor pre-throne.

Perpetuals are basically the most terrible subplot in the Heresy, it is true, but they can die.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Perpetuals are basically the most terrible subplot in the Heresy, it is true, but they can die.

how do they die?

LightKing wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Perpetuals are basically the most terrible subplot in the Heresy, it is true, but they can die.

how do they die?

This has already been answered. This is the most frustrating thing about your posts, you don't seem to read what people say in response, just move on to the next stream-of-consciousness question.

Vulcan being a Perpetual makes him virtually immortal and invincible...none of the other Primarch's except the Chaos ones with a large price are like this...the only other being like this is the Emperor...however Perpetuals can be killed but you need an extremely rare item to do it...it's like an Anathame but for a perpetual...To get back to the OP though I belive that the Emperor is more powerful as he brings more to the table than just being strong and invincible like Vulcan...he's also the most powerful Psyker ever...and he's his Dad so he'll just lose his poker money and become grounded if he misbehaves lol

The Emperor can probably could probably blast Vulkan's soul into oblivion like he did with Horus. I don't think even a perpetual could recover from that.
I also agree that perpetuals are the most horrible ass pull in 40k lore yet.

1. Emperor will do what he did with Horus. Annihilate Vulkan's soul. Good game. Not even the Chaos Gods could bring Horus back from that.

2. The Emperor would use his weapons. Channel his psychic might through a sword and slice Vulkan in half. The Fulgurite, a weapon that can kill a perpetual, is just a tiny shard of one of the Emperor's weapons in which his psychic might is still stored inside.

The Emperor will win, no doubt.

If he was that awesome he wouldn't have ended up on the Golden Throne.

He's "just a man"

 Omegus wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Perpetuals are basically the most terrible subplot in the Heresy, it is true, but they can die.

how do they die?

This has already been answered. This is the most frustrating thing about your posts, you don't seem to read what people say in response, just move on to the next stream-of-consciousness question.

This +40,000.

Read and learn, stop asking vague and foolish questions with the false sense of 'but I want to talk about it' and then never read and talk about it.

Vulkan is the Emperor.

The "rules" of what a perpetual can and cannot come back from haven't been written down in absolute, as said above the same book which introduces the concept of perpetuals also gives an anti-perpetual weapon so... the rule is basically "they respawn, except when they don't".