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Can anyone provide detail about the known issues of inhaling resin dust? The type of resin used in Forge World models?

I was working on some Forge World resin in my hobby room, and began to get a headache afterwards.

Can they even safely be worked on indoors with a mask?

   
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Moustache-twirling Princeps




United Kingdom

They use several different types of resin.

From their Working with Resin guide: "The resin that we use has no inherent health risks, but we do recommend a dust mask if you are filing or sanding – as with any fine substance, resin dust can be an irritant."
   
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All dust is bad for you to inhale, whether it is resin dust from models, paint from spraying/airbrushing, coal dust from working in coal mines, dirt from plowing dry fields, smoking or any other source. The dust settles in the lungs and causes bad things to happen - especially if exposed for prolonged periods of time.

For most people, wearing a well fitting dust mask or working wet is fine. Make sure the mask fits snugly around your mouth and nose - otherwise, it won't provide much protection at all. Using wet sanding and cutting techniques will also prevent the dust from going airborne.

If you have a preexisting medical condition like asthma though, you may want to do both as well as possibly look into point of use dust collectors.

A lot of the issues though can be minimized just by working with controlling the dust in mind. Don't use power tools for cutting and sanding. That Dremel does a great job of cutting off resin blocks - but it is also throwing resin dust all over the room. Don't blow the dust off the model when you want a cleaner look at it. Most of the dust from hand cutting and sanding will stay on your tools, working item or table - however when you blow the dust off to see how far you have left to go or if you swipe your hand across your work bench to brush the dust away - all of that stuff gets kicked up into the air. Use larger tooth saws or straight edge clippers to minimize dust creation. Clippers produce no dust and the larger toothed saws produce larger particles which settle to the ground faster and are less likely to be inhaled deeply into the lungs.

When you need to clean a part - rinse it under water. The water will carry the dust away with it. When you are ready to clean your work surface, wet a disposable towel (water or spray cleaner like Windex) and wipe it down. Toss that in the trash. If you let it dry before you throw it out, the dust can get airborne again.

Of course those are all best practices, and you have to make an informed decision for your own activities. I tend to use my Dremel and fine tooth saws - but I also have an exhaust fan built into the back of my table that draws fumes and dust through a cyclone collector, micron filter, carbon filter and than exhausts outside the house. I don't wear a mask or wet sand, and I'll even use an airbrush right at that desk from time to time for quick jobs (I have a fume hood that I do my heavy airbrushing in). I work on resin probably 2 or 3 hours a day - 4 or 5 days a week, and have for the last 10 years or so. My lungs come up clean at each annual physical.

Just a little primer on dust, your lungs and what to watch out for (far from complete - but enough to get you on your way to being an informed consumer):

http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/lungs_dust.html

Polyurethane dust is not listed on the table, but most the studies I have seen on it have shown it to be a fibrosis causing dust particle.

From their Working with Resin guide: "The resin that we use has no inherent health risks, but we do recommend a dust mask if you are filing or sanding – as with any fine substance, resin dust can be an irritant."


Yah - while I don't disagree in principal, that is a bit like saying our knives are perfectly safe - just don't stab yourself with them as that has been shown to hurt.

The industry and consumers would be better served if they did more to actually address the concerns that people have regarding resins and provide better information in regards to how to work with them safely.

There is still a large camp of people who are terrified of resins (not sure where the start of the rumor was...) and think that you are certain to sprout cancerous tumors and have three legged children with webbed feet. Trying to say - oh, some resins will do that...but not ours - doesn't do anything to actually address the concerns, nor does it help the consumer work safely and responsibly with the products. Resin dust isn't just an irritant - it can cause pulmonary fibroids which in turn can lead to lung cancer. This is all resin dust - from Forge World or any other company. However, it is very easy to work with safely - even within your house.
   
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Ireland

Any fine dust that is not from an organic source(that would organic as in living not organic chemistry) and some that are organic is terrible for your lungs.

There are many ways to work with fine dusts without breathing it in. A simple paper face mask or respirator if you have one will work fine for all intents and purposes.

Keeping dust out of the air is easy if you take time and work with the resin in a bowl of soapy water. I found that was good when cleaning up molding lines.

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beast_gts wrote:
They use several different types of resin.

From their Working with Resin guide: "The resin that we use has no inherent health risks, but we do recommend a dust mask if you are filing or sanding – as with any fine substance, resin dust can be an irritant."


forgeworld invented nontoxic resin? it's a miracle. sounds like a bunch of crap to keep children and their mothers calm.

after a quick google search you should read through this thread OP:

http://www.therpf.com/f9/dust-sanding-resin-dangerous-breathe-13309/
   
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Ireland

Resin has no inherent health risks, lead is the same; they only get dangerous when they are in a form that can enter your body in certain ways. The fine particulate dust does but only because it's fine dust.

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It's not the size of the blade, it's how you use it.
2000+
1500+
2000+

For all YMDC arguements remember: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U

My blog: http://dublin-spot-check.blogspot.ie/ 
   
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 liturgies of blood wrote:
Resin has no inherent health risks, lead is the same; they only get dangerous when they are in a form that can enter your body in certain ways. The fine particulate dust does but only because it's fine dust.


well that's just fricken wonderful. I guess we can then assume that their paints are only nontoxic when sitting sealed inside the bottle or applied by brush at the very most.

   
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Ireland

Non-toxic isn't the same as not bad for you.

If you breath in the paint, you'll die too.

It's not the size of the blade, it's how you use it.
2000+
1500+
2000+

For all YMDC arguements remember: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U

My blog: http://dublin-spot-check.blogspot.ie/ 
   
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 liturgies of blood wrote:
Non-toxic isn't the same as not bad for you.

If you breath in the paint, you'll die too.


awesome.

It's like going on a Chinese vacation. you get to use hazardous materials to make toys for no money! have fun little timmy
   
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard






Newcastle, OZ

Aftermath. wrote:
Can anyone provide detail about the known issues of inhaling resin dust? The type of resin used in Forge World models?

I was working on some Forge World resin in my hobby room, and began to get a headache afterwards.

Can they even safely be worked on indoors with a mask?



Firstly. Inhaling ANY dust is bad for you. Resin dust isn't particularly worse than concrete dust in this regard. Both will accumulate in your lungs and clump together from present moisture. So will sawdust.
Polyurethane resins do have a certain smell if not cured properly - and this can give you headaches (as can superglue fumes).
Whilst you CAN work on resin indoors safely, there are some obvious safety procedures you have to follow.


ALWAYS have good ventilation when working with resin. THIS is the most important one. VENTILATION.
WEAR A DUST MASK.
MINIMISE dust creation by WETTING the items you are sanding or filing first.

I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

That is not dead which can eternal lie ...

... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
 
   
Made in ca
Longtime Dakkanaut




besides maybe giving you peace of mind a dust mask isn't going to do anything.

get a mask that actually fits to your face properly.

and you should not be working inside IMO. go to your garage.

   
 
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