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totals at 1994

HQ

Farseer: jetbike, mantle of the laughing god, witch blade, runes of warding, runes of witnessing - 180

Elite

5x Wraithguard: d-scythe
Wave serpent: serpent field, holo field - 340

5x Wraithguard: d-scythe
Wave serpent: serpent field, holo field - 340

Troops

6x guardian jetbikes - 102

6x guardian jetbikes - 102

Fast Attack

10x warp spiders x/ exarch - 200

Heavy Support

Wraithknight: suncannon, scatter shield - 280

DE ally

HQ

Duke Sliscus the serpent: blast pistol, combat drugs, ghostplate armor, plasma grenades, shadowfield, the serpents bite (x2) - 150

Troops

5x Kabalite warriors
Venom - 100

5x Kabalite warriors
Venom - 100

5x Kabalite warriors
Venom - 100




The thought behind bringing the duke is that the venoms can deepstrike. the only thing is he also benefits wytches (power from pain, combat drug re-roll), so do I bring wytches in place of some of the kabalite warriors? another thought was getting rid of the wraithguard upgrades and warp spiders and bringing another wraithknight. Thoughts?

You can't take 3 kabbie squads for allies, max 2 troops.

On the farseer, both runes are major overkill. You already deny all but a few psykers on a 4+, why bother with runes of warding? Witnessing is OK since you are casting a lot of powers. Take a singing spear with spare points for a rouge AT unit.

Wraithguard are fantastic, but if you take a spiritseer you get scoring units out of em. Plus, spiritseers are amazing. Consider one unit of scythes, one unit of d-cannons. Make sure you take scatter lasers on the serpents.

In a squad of 6, it is worth having shuricannons on the bikes so they can do more than score.

If your taking the exarch on the spiders, take fast shot, and maybe spring for the rifle. You could equally drop the exarch.

For a suncannon knight, take a scatter laser to twin link the cannon. Also gives you a second gun for more dakka.

The duke is OK for deep strike, but he has no unit to join. If you want the deep strike, splinter trueborn are your best bet. I would go cheap with a hamey, or maybe the baron+beastpack. Venoms NEED dual splinter cannons, and kabbies could really use a blaster. Haywitches are ok too, if your into them. I almost always take night shields on venoms if I have the points.

I take night shields and flickerfields on all vehicles as a must take. What better way to defend yourself than be out of shooting range in the first place!

heres the update:

HQ

Farseer: Jetbike, Mantle of the laughing god, runes of witnessing - 170

Spiritseer - 70

Troops

Jetbike Guardians x5: Shuriken cannons - 135

Jetbike Guardians x5: Shuriken cannons - 135

Wraithguard x5
(Wave serpent: twin linked scatter laser) - 280

Wraithguard x5
(Wave serpent: twin linked scatter laser) - 280

Fast Attack

Warp spiders x4
(Exarch: fast shot, spinneret rifle) - 111

Heavy Support

Wraithknight: suncannon, scatter shield, scatter laser - 300

DE Ally

HQ

Duke Sliscus the serpent - 150

Troops

5x Kabalite warriors
(Venom: night shield, splinter cannon) - 120

5x Kabalite warriors
(Venom: night shield, splinter cannon) - 120

Elites

4x Kabalite trueborn
(Venom: night shield, splinter cannon) - 123

It's good base list, maybe lacking long range anti-tank but I guess wraithguard make up for it short range. Just a few things, you cannot have a unit of 4 warp spiders because you buy them as a squad of 5. But it's quite a quick swap between the Exarch with gear for an extra spider.

Another thing is that you aren't really taking advantage of all of the Dukes abilities, which is understandably hard with all of them, but there are a few more things you can do to get more from your Duke. For example the unit he is with gets better splinter weaponary, then why isn't his unit as pimped out with the stuff as humanly possible? Those trueborn should get themselves 2 splinter cannons at the least. You don't need wyches really, but if you are planning on offensively deep striking them rather then simply to grab objectives then haywire wyches might be a good option to help with hard AT.

Defo not enough anti tank. I'd drop the trueborn for a ravager and probably drop sliscus as he is only really useful in a trueborn raider deep striking.

Waveserpents should have scatter lasers, shuiken cannons, and holofeilds 100% of the time imo.

some people dont like the shruiken cannon, because they want to unload there guys so they move 12 inches, which would then make the shuiken cannon have to snap shot. But, after that, the waveserpent will be putting out an extra 3 tl shots a turn, for only a 10 point upgrade!

HQ

Farseer: Jetbike, Mantle of the laughing god - 155

Spiritseer - 70

Troops

5x Jetbike Guardians: 3x Shuriken cannons - 115

5x Jetbike Guardians: 3x Shuriken cannons - 115

Wraithguard x5
(Wave serpent: twin linked scatter laser) - 280

Wraithguard x5
(Wave serpent: twin linked scatter laser) - 280

Fast Attack

5x Warp Spiders

Heavy Support

Wraithknight: 2x wraithcannon, 2x scatter laser

DE Ally

HQ

Duke Sliscus the serpent - 150

Troops

5x wyches: haywire grenades
(Venom: splinter cannon) - 125

5x wyches: haywire grenades
(Venom: splinter cannon) - 125

Elites

8x Kabalite trueborn: 2x splinter cannon (Raider: flickerfield, nightfield, splinter rack) - 206

Well, a Windrider unit can take one shuricannon per three models.

Plus wraithknight only needs one scatter laser.

Unfortunately it's only 1 shurikan cannon per 3 jetbikes, you can't have a squad of 5 with 3 of the things! But don't despair, while adding up your army you seem to be a few points under pointed (only coming to 1956pts) so you can drop a cannon and get another Jetbike guy and still keep two cannons for a very shooty unit.

Those scatter lasers on that Wraithknight are literally pointless because as a MC he can only fire 2 weapons. Unless you intend on only firing 1 wraith cannon (No, you DON'T intend this) and 1 scatter laser you are wasting 40pts. Those 40pts could give those Wave Serpents Holofields. Done. Now you have a great army. In the end it woud look something like this:

HQ

Farseer: Jetbike, Mantle of the laughing god - 155 pts

Spiritseer - 70 pts

Troops

6x Jetbike Guardians: 2x Shuriken cannons - 122 pts

6x Jetbike Guardians: 2x Shuriken cannons - 122 pts

Wraithguard x5
(Wave serpent: twin linked scatter laser & Holofields) - 295pts

Wraithguard x5
(Wave serpent: twin linked scatter laser & Holofields) - 295pts

Fast Attack

5x Warp Spiders 95pts

Heavy Support

Wraithknight: 2x wraithcannon,240pts

DE Ally

HQ

Duke Sliscus the serpent - 150pts

Troops

5x wyches: haywire grenades
(Venom: splinter cannon) - 125 pts

5x wyches: haywire grenades
(Venom: splinter cannon) - 125 pts

Elites

8x Kabalite trueborn: 2x splinter cannon (Raider: flickerfield, nightfield, splinter rack) - 206

Total 2000pts.

How does that look?
Alexisawesome, the Army List Whisperer.

I still think it needs some long range AV.

Shingen wrote:
Plus wraithknight only needs one scatter laser.

actually. it needs 0.
it can only fire 2 weapons a turn, so having scatter lasers is quite pointless actually.

True, I thought it was using suncannon.

I love the list. gonna try to move some stuff around to get a suncannon and some d-scythes. another thing I over looked is anti-air... what do you suggest?

wave serpents with shuiken cannons and scatter lasers and warp spiders

so after looking over my list I realized that 5 warp spiders aren't going to be very survivable and was questioning wether the wraithguard would have the same problem.

If I take 2 units of 10 guardians instead of the 2 wraithguard units and keep them in the wave serpent I think they'd be more survivable and cost less points.

it would allow me to add either 2 fire prisms or take 10 warp spiders.

is this a good idea? thoughts?

If you do this, then the Spiritseer is also unnecesary. You could even buy a brightlance for your guardians for some long-range AT or Shuriken cannons/Starcannon for added synergy with your shuricats.

If you take Wraithknight stock, you don't really need those Prisms. Take the Nightspinners for cheaper or add those Warp Spiders you talked about.

That said, Wraithguard are T6 so a LOT more survivable than Warp Spiders or Guardians. Also, they're Fearless so can't go-to-ground but also don't take morale checks. Just something to keep in mind.

gah! Such a tough choice. I LOVE the look of the wraithguard theyre just so damn expensive!

I feel like even massed wounds would take them out. there's only 5... but what do I know