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Hey I wanted to know if your using your combi flamer in the overwatch does it count as using up your combi weapons or no???

I would think that it would, being that combi-weapons are listed as "one use per game".

Little bit embarrassing but:
Can someone tell me what page the rules for 'One Use Only' can be found?

At the moment I am wondering if they even fleshed this Special Rule out, because I am finding it very difficult to locate the rule itself. There is no entry within the Index and I have read quickly through both the Special Rule section and the Weapon Type sections without finding it. Using a PDF version of the book and search functions I can find it linked to so many weapons but nothing out-right stating what 'One Use Only' does. Now I am not fine-tooth combing here, so I might of over looked something and hence the question, but it is looking more and more like this is a 'body-less rule.'

I was hoping for something more solid then:
Yes, because you are still nominating that weapon for the shooting attack even if you use different rules to resolve said attack.

Its on page 56 (whichI found ala index) and yes it is once per battle

JinxDragon wrote:
Little bit embarrassing but:
Can someone tell me what page the rules for 'One Use Only' can be found?

At the moment I am wondering if they even fleshed this Special Rule out, because I am finding it very difficult to locate the rule itself. There is no entry within the Index and I have read quickly through both the Special Rule section and the Weapon Type sections without finding it. Using a PDF version of the book and search functions I can find it linked to so many weapons but nothing out-right stating what 'One Use Only' does. Now I am not fine-tooth combing here, so I might of over looked something and hence the question, but it is looking more and more like this is a 'body-less rule.'

I was hoping for something more solid then:
Yes, because you are still nominating that weapon for the shooting attack even if you use different rules to resolve said attack.

There are loads of rules that are once per battle, if you've made use of the rules once in the battle that is it. You have used it and to use it more than once per battle(or game) would be cheating as you have no permission to get around the limitation set by "once per battle" or "one use only".

CrownAxe,
Those are the rules for combi-bolters, not for 'One Use Only' which is what I am requesting information on.

Liturgies,
A lot of weapons are limited by nothing more then a 'One Use Only' Special Rule found on the weapon profile. I am looking for information directly related to that one rule, for while it is 'contents labeled on tin' it would be far better to actually have the body of that Special Rule instead of just it's name. This is because 'logic,' when it comes to these rules, is not always the best solution given that Game Workshop writers think like Orks.

That page is where the rules for combi-weapons are. did you even look at the page? Combi-bolters aren't even in the BRB since they CSM only

CrownAxe,
And the rule I requested information about was the 'One Use Only' rule found in weapon profiles.

JinxDragon wrote:
CrownAxe,
And the rule I requested information about was the 'One Use Only' rule found in weapon profiles.

which is there on the page

CrownAxe,
This page outlines combi-weapons and unless you are going to argue that every 'One Use Weapon' out there is a 'combi-weapon' then this page does not apply to every instance of this Special Rule.

Combi-Weapons don't have "One Use Weapon"

"One use only" is not a rule that has an explanation, other than "Exactly what it says on the Tin"

The rules for this particular problem are indeed on page 56 with combi-weapons where it defines that the secondary weapon is used once per battle.

JinxDragon:
One use only weapons have (and never have had) no RaW beyond the title of the special weapon. So if it is one use per battle, per turn, per player turn or per shooting attack or even per your own personal life time we don't really know. It is generally accepted to be once per game (as each game is effectively a unique event with no rules linking multiple games).

CrownAxe,
You are correct there, for some reason I thought it listed both weapon profiles but it doesn't actually list either, but that was still a side point to the problem I was facing. I was still fixated on weapons with the 'One Use Only' Special Rule because the problem still exists for them. It could be possible, one day in the right circumstances, to gain the benefit from a 'One Use Only' item without doing anything which can be considered 'using' the item. While I can not fathom what that scenario would be at this moment, it was my intention to find enough pieces of information to have a solid argument should it ever occur. One stronger then 'Logic dictates it is so.'

Kommissar Kel and FlingItNow,
Sort of what I was fearing as I was hoping it was just an overlooked paragraph somewhere in the book. It is just bad, very bad, Rule writing to refer to a Rule that has no definition as that can lead to all sorts of problems. It doesn't even matter how 'contents on tin' the name of that rule is, it should always have a body to go with it, because that is how rules work. Twice so as, pointed out by FlingItNow, the lack of a 'per X' definition makes it sort of open-ended and that would technically mean you could only use that weapon once.... ever!

JinxDragon wrote:
It is just bad, very bad, Rule writing to refer to a Rule that has no definition ...

It's not referring to a rule that has no definition. It's a note that the weapon can only be used once. It doesn't really need any further definition beyond that.

They attach that 'note' into the Weapon Type and Special Rule section of the profile, which is unusual as normally such 'notes' are found in the weapon description section. Given it's location within the database, I don't think it is that unreasonable that it follows the same formatting the rest of the entries found in the same section. If it is listed as a Special Rule or Weapon Type on the weapon profile, then it should have something defining what that Special Rule or Weapon Type is. Even if it is nothing more then a single sentence stating the obvious, we need a page and paragraph we can refer to whenever we encounter something marked as a 'Special Rule' or 'Weapon Type.' Other 'name on tin' Special Rule's exist and I am able to find definitions within a Rule Book or Codex for them, so why is this one some how even more special?

Besides, I am liking the idea that my opponents having to prove their 'One Use Only' weapon has never been used in a previous battle....

 insaniak wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
It is just bad, very bad, Rule writing to refer to a Rule that has no definition ...

It's not referring to a rule that has no definition. It's a note that the weapon can only be used once. It doesn't really need any further definition beyond that.

This.

JinxDragon wrote:
They attach that 'note' into the Weapon Type and Special Rule section of the profile, which is unusual as normally such 'notes' are found in the weapon description section. Given it's location within the database, I don't think it is that unreasonable that it follows the same formatting the rest of the entries found in the same section. If it is listed as a Special Rule or Weapon Type on the weapon profile, then it should have something defining what that Special Rule or Weapon Type is. Even if it is nothing more then a single sentence stating the obvious, we need a page and paragraph we can refer to whenever we encounter something marked as a 'Special Rule' or 'Weapon Type.' Other 'name on tin' Special Rule's exist and I am able to find definitions within a Rule Book or Codex for them, so why is this one some how even more special?

Besides, I am liking the idea that my opponents having to prove their 'One Use Only' weapon has never been used in a previous battle....

First part I can get behind.

Second Part; doesn't matter that this is the same model you and I have had in the last 3 games, and that the Model's name is Sgt Bradford, and that his unit is called "Squad Bradford" it is a new list every time we play, so is not the same Combi grav nor the same Sgt Bradford as the last or last 2 games.

If you are playing a narrative campaign "One shot Only" weapons should have to be repurchased between games to show the resource expenditure of rearming those weapons(after all that is the Same Sgt Bradford as last game). But then narrative campaigns are(should be) full of little rules like this for the purpose of storytelling.

Kel,
Second part was more of a joke, though one to highlight an obvious problem if we have nothing more to go off then the name:
"One use only means one use only, period, I demand you smash that hunter missile to ensure you don't accidentally use it in a future game."
Not meant to be serious, as I am just lamenting poor Rule writing at the moment.

Rules for Missiles might give further insight into this rule...?