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Big Mek Kustom Force Field 85
Lootas x 10 150
Lootas x 10 150
Boyz x 23 138
Gretchin x 10, Runtherd 40
BattleWagon, Deff Rolla, Big Shoota 115
BattleWagon, Deff Rolla, Big Shoota 115
Looted Wagon, Boom Gun 105
Aegis, Quad cannon 100


Thoughts?

You may need more troops. If your opponent is able to eliminate your scoring units, you will be fighting an uphill battle.

i was thinking about taking out 7 boys so i can put the boys into a BW and get another gretchin squad

I would drop a loota squad, and defense line. Would then add 18 boyz, 1 bs, 1 nob bp,pk to each bw.

40 boyz, 2 wagons.
gretchin squad
15 lootas
big mek w/ shokk attack gun with the lootas.

Sit the gretchin on one objective. send the boys out to claim the others. shoot everything else down that moves.

Or maybe split the lootas up in to two squads, and maybe stick a warboss w/ a powerklaw in one of the wagons.

But yeah in the 20man boyz squads you want a nob w/ a powerklaw and a bosspole. and maybe stick a couple big shootas in there also. Even if you are going cruising speed you can still fire a BUNCH of snap shots.

I put the lootas in the wagons, its much more effective. Im thinking about dropping 4 boyz for 8 more gretchin so if i want i can throw the boyz in the battlewagon w/ my mekk

Deffguns are heavy weapons. If you put them in the wagons that are moving around to deffrolla stuff, they're firing nothing but snap shots.
You'd be better off getting a gang of shoota boys that can fire out of the wagon without issue, and assault out of it when the time is right.

Who cares if the lootas snap fire lol. its better than losing 4 models and running off the table. and i like tank shocking then snap firing the lootas at what ever i tank shocked. then when they assault i get to over watch with them.then after they blow up the tanks shoot the next turn let em assault me and shoot at them again. If i reduce my shootas to 19 models ill still be able to throw a squad in a BW if i want to

Compare it to the alternative. Shoota boys will do all the exact same things, but won't have to fire snapshots in the shooting phase. And they can actually fight in close combat thanks to their numbers.

Lootas might flee if they take some shooting, but that's occupying shooters that otherwise might be targeting more valuable units. Multiple small squads of lootas split up their fire even more, and give you a better chance at higher rolls for number of shots.

It just seems like a no-brainer to me. I'd never put a devastator squad in a rhino and then rush them up to the enemy lines.

Jambles wrote:
Compare it to the alternative. Shoota boys will do all the exact same things, but won't have to fire snapshots in the shooting phase. And they can actually fight in close combat thanks to their numbers.

Lootas might flee if they take some shooting, but that's occupying shooters that otherwise might be targeting more valuable units. Multiple small squads of lootas split up their fire even more, and give you a better chance at higher rolls for number of shots.

It just seems like a no-brainer to me. I'd never put a devastator squad in a rhino and then rush them up to the enemy lines.

Shoota boys will snap fire too if i move more than 6, lootas can fight just aswell in assault as normal boys seeing how they all have the same amount of base attacks.

Lootas wont flee if they are in a bw that can move 12 tank shock and still shoot. If i split up the 10m squads into 5m squads i will give up 2 easy KPs.

Lets face it if you take devastators period its a bad choice. Also lootas are only BS2 so if i move them i shoot at BS1 OHHH NOOO i have ran 45 lootas in 3 bw's since 6th started and they have preformed greatly.

Also why did you remove the KFF on the big mek? IMO its the best wargear next to deff rollas orks possess. Not to mention if im going to be rolling up the tbale why wouldnt i want portable cover?

Seconding the shootas in wagon thing. If you want a mobile bunker for Lootas, use a Big Squiggoth instead.

If you absolutely must flat-out, then snap shotting a larger amount of strength 4 shots instead of a smaller amount of strength 7 shots seems like a much better tradeoff to me, among the other advantages of not putting an artillery unit in a frontline assault transport. It's the difference between five hits and ten at 30 shots, and in an army where s7 at 48" is completely unique I can't see any advantage to mounting them over shoota boys. If it works for you then go for it I guess, I've just never seen that tactic before in 6th or otherwise.

in 1k tourny? lol

I know 19 shootas in a BW is great but i dont need 2 of them. One should be enough, if i put 1 shoota boy squad in a BW and 1 Loota squad in a bw the opponent will focus on the BW with the lootas allowing the shoota to move up the table. If i just have 2 shoota squads they are gonna shoot at the BW thats closer.