Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

after about a year of csm...and running khorne daemons as an ally ive come up with what I hope is a good daemon list. I was gonna go mono nurgle but painted so many khorne as an ally it would be a shame not to use them...funny thing is their the only things in this list fully built and painted so far. 1500 pts (gets even better at 1850 and 2k)

GUO , psyker lvl 2...30 points in rewards herald of khorne (with bloodletters)

14x plague bearers 14x plague bearers 15x blood letters with instrument (will deap strike on blood crushers when they get close)

3 bloodcrushers..and one blood hunter with instrument 3 plague drones with death heads. 10 flesh hounds

soul grinder...khorne..with phlem skull cannon all together comes to 1498[i]

at 1850 drop the herald and add a bloodthirster (with 50 pts of rewards) and some extra blood letters at 2000 drop the letters back to 15...but now a demon prince flies in with the thirster.

does this sound like it would give people a run for their money?

In a casual meta, this list will do fine (you will have to play very aggressively). Even in a casual setting, I'd still add a winged DP and possibly a Cannon of Khorne.

In a tournament or ultra competitive setting, this list will get eaten alive.

Well thank god I dont do tournaments. To many attitudes.

id honestly be surprised if this beat any casual list either.

Well....what would you suggest then?

You dont have a single one of the good daemons units.

Dogs
Screamers
Fateweaver
Daemon princes

arguably the worst greater daemon in GUO, the most over costed useless unit in blood crushers and a khorne soul grinder, its as if you were literally trying to make the worst daemon list you could.

He's got 10 flesh hounds in there.

 Admiral General Aladeen wrote:
You dont have a single one of the good daemons units.

Dogs
Screamers
Fateweaver
Daemon princes

arguably the worst greater daemon in GUO, the most over costed useless unit in blood crushers and a khorne soul grinder, its as if you were literally trying to make the worst daemon list you could.

Unfortunately this is all true. He's not even taken the 10 point Ap2 weapons on the troops...

what 10 point ap2 weapons?



Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Admiral General Aladeen wrote:
You dont have a single one of the good daemons units.

Dogs
Screamers
Fateweaver
Daemon princes

arguably the worst greater daemon in GUO, the most over costed useless unit in blood crushers and a khorne soul grinder, its as if you were literally trying to make the worst daemon list you could.

While I will take your opinion into account I also know a lot of people who say guo is a great choice as well.
I also know a few people who say demon princes are over priced and over rated also.
I understand fully that there are a lot of play styles and opinions on what runs good and thats what I wanted. You could have stopped by saying you might want to add this or this. Unfortunately you have to be a child and start being rude and sarcastic.
For future reference please stick to what you think would be good or bad and leave the insults to yourself.

He told you whats good, he also told you whats crap. There are tons of good daemon lists on this forum, check them out. DP's may very well be overpriced and overrated but a circus lists are still one of the best ones in 6th. Your list is bad, very bad for competitive play. Bloodletters will die before they can do anything same with Crushers, you dont need 14 PB's for objectives, 10 are enough they will stand there and do nothing besides camping anyway. With Drones you need another unit of 3 to be a threat, preferably to go together with a Nurgle Prince. Hounds - 5 solo or 15 with a Jugg Herald or a blob of 20. Skull Cannons are crap, better get 2 Grinders Nurgle or Tzeentch as for HQ get Kairos or a LoC or Kairos AND another Greater Daemon. Oh and Khorne Heralds on foot are crap, Jugg or nothing. Try again.

what 10 point ap2 weapons?

How much does a lesser reward cost? What option can you always choose to take if you roll on the lesser reward table? Why have your BL champ and Khorne Herald not got at least a lesser reward each? Why would your combat characters not have a 10 point Ap2 weapon? Also get a jugger for the Herald and stick him with the dogs who want to be beefed up.

How are your combat units getting into combat?

Why do your Plague Drones not have poison 3+? And again why not an Ap2 Weapon on the champ tthat would also benefit from the poison 3+? Meaning your champ wounds on 3+ with rerolls against marines ignoring armour. Why would you not take that?

Why have you taken Khorne on the Soulgrinder? For just 15 points you could give him shrouded and then have a 3+ cover most of the time and a 2+ cover if you're behind ruins. Why would you not take that? Unless you're try to get him into combat then Slaanesh is the best option.

Skull cannon is meh.

Also no Gromoire I notice the most broken piece of kit in the entire game.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I don't mean to be insulting but this doesn't look like a list at all. It looks like a random collection of models without the options that make any of those units work. It is like you selected the worst option available for each choice.

I'd also like to weigh in and say that the GUO is far from useless. HOWEVER, I do feel that you need to make him a lvl3 Psyker (all on biomancy) and give him a greater reward (for either a survivability boost, or to default to the excellent balesword if you roll a crap one) plus an exalted reward for the grimoire. The grimoire is an excellent piece of kit and the GUO makes a very durable grimoire carrier. He's also a decent warlord as he is incredibly hard to kill (especially with lvl3 biomancy).

Be aware though that he is painfully slow, so either deep strike him (being aware that you won't be able to cast blessings or maledictions until at least turn 3 though) or use him to anchor a midfield objective and protect your troops while casting biomancy buffs and debuffs. The latter option is usually how I run mine and it works very well.

Hey tanker,

I think what the previous posters have meant was that your list isnt the most cost effective, efficient and at a glance, lacks synergy.

While I think you have some great units in the hounds, the soul grinder, plague bearers and the great unclean one(I agree with Vomikron on all accounts above, he can be excellent with level 3 biomancy, however really slow), you also have a few bad units and have used some less than optimal upgrades, i'll give you a quick run down.

GUO - should at least be level 3 w biomancy, looking for that iron arm, also add some greater or exalted gifts.

Plague bearers - run 3 groups of 10 for objectives, the extra numbers dont do anything, they dont kill anything, they just theyre for 2+ go to ground goodness

Bloodletters - Pretty bad this codex, lack of grenades, fleet and T3 makes them pretty bad for survivability. If you able to use the banner to DS behing cover and ensure they are able to charge to support another unit in combat they could work, or they could charge a unit that has been shot by your skull cannon, otherwise they just die, i prefer daemonettes over these guys.

Bloodcrushers - Man i hate these this codex, they were so good last codex, i have like 12 of them, can you believe that? 12 of them! aaaaand, i'll probably never field them again. Anyways, they're overpriced, but they are still kinda killy. Use them if you must.

Soulgrinder - MoN - shrouded is just too good, you gain little from MoK.

Skull Cannon - Just. Not. That. Good. Theres a reason people dont field whirlwinds. You'd be much better fielding a daemon prince or another soulgrinder.

Hope this helps.

BBJ

Thank you for a couple of good reasonable answers. Thats what I was looking for. Not a "this list blows" kinda answer.
Im new to the daemon codex, what sounds good in the book isnt always good in performance.
I will say after thumbing through most of the codexes daemons has to be the most confusing.
So once again that you to the sensible individuals who gave me more precise answers.

This list as is is going to have a lot of trouble...

Since you find the codex confusing I'll highlight the best units in each slot for you. leaving you some sort of creativity on what to choose from.

HQ:
Fateweaver
Keeper of Secrets
Lord of Change
Bloodthirsters
Heralds

Troops:
Daemonettes
Plague Bearers / Horrors

Fast Attack:
Seekers of Slaanesh
Flesh Hounds of Khorne

Elites:
These are all pretty terrible. The fiends are ok at best.

Heavy Support:
Daemon Princes!!!
Soulgrinders are meh in my opinion.

The Daemon dex is VERY competitive (a top 3 army atm) but also, pretty cookie cutter. Although, I must admit pretty much every army is very cookie cutter when it comes to tourney lists.

Hope this helps. Good luck! Welcome to the greater evil.