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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/06 01:08:50
Subject: Idea for Malal
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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The fifth arrow of Chaos points downward:
Malal, Lord of Spite 1000 points
Malal is a Lord of War detachment for a Chaos Space Marines army.
WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
9 7 10 7 10 7 10 10 2+
Unit Type: Flying Gargantuan Creature
Special Rules:
Daemonic Instability, Preferred Enemy (Chaos Daemons), Fleet, Fearless, Psykerbane*, Gaze of Contempt**, Pinnacles of Hate***, Order of Chaos****
Weapons and Equipment:
-The Dread Blade of Malice
-Chain Whips
-Sigil of Corruption (see Codex: Chaos Space Marines)
The Dread Blade of Malice: Specialist Weapon, Rending, Ignores Invulnerable Saves. In addition, Malal excels at using the Blade in flight, and as such, his Vector Strike attacks are resolved using the Blade’s characteristics.
Chain Whips: Malal relishes the use of huge blackened chain segments to ensnare and punish his enemies (which includes the entire universe). These are used as a shooting attack with the following profile:
S8, AP4, Assault 2, 24”, Concussive, Strikedown
In addition, a vehicle hit by a Chain Whip suffers a Crew Stunned and Immobilized result on a 4+. Chain Whips count as assault grenades.
*Psykerbane: Psychic powers of any sort have no effect on Malal. In addition, all psykers within 12” of Malal take psychic tests at half their Leadership (rounding up).
**Gaze of Contempt: At the beginning of Malal’s turn, he may attempt to confound a single unengaged enemy unit within 24”. The enemy unit and Malal both roll a D6 and add their base Initiative (models without an Initiative count as I1). If Malal’s result is higher, he subtracts D6 from a characteristic of his choice from the enemy model (down to a minimum of 1) until the beginning of his next turn. This cannot be used to lower an Armor Value on a vehicle however.
***Pinnacles of Hate: Malal is hatred incarnate; he and every unit within 12” has the Hatred (Everything!) special rule.
Perhaps ironically, he especially hates daemons and views the causes of all other Chaos gods as ridiculous and trivial at best. For this reason, Malal must always attempt to Charge the closest unit with the Daemon rule if both he and it are not Zooming or Swooping, and if it is Charge range.
In addition, Malal may not be used in an army with Daemon Lords, Daemon Princes (even Chaos Space Marine versions), or any unit from or counting as Chaos Daemons. Wargear and abilities from Codex: Chaos Daemons have no effect upon Malal (ie. the Grimoire of True Names).
****Order of Chaos: All Chaos Space Marine units within 18” of Malal are Fearless and have Rage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/06 01:21:43
Subject: Idea for Malal
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Regular Dakkanaut
New Orleans, LA
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These are rules...for the Chaos god itself?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/06 01:23:20
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Heroic Senior Officer
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My friend does a pretty cool Malal army for his chaos.
http://thediceodyssey.blogspot.co.nz/search/label/Chaos%20Space%20Marines
They are pretty tall too. Not as tall as scibor but taller than marines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/06 05:31:37
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Malal is a chaos god...while not as powerful as, say, Khorne; he's still not going to be adequately represented on the tabletop. In addition, I don't think that the Chaos gods can take physical form due to the way they interact with realspace.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/06 21:10:01
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal and Sons of Malice
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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I see what you mean, like Angraath is not Khorne. So perhaps such a model would be better named the Lord of Spite, Shadow of Malal; something like that.
Is there any fluff anywhere about the Sons of Malice? I guess that would give some better clues on what's appropriate, but hating Warp stuff seems like something they would do. I wrote up a Sons of Malice ruleset too. It gives our regular old CSMs something to do
Sons of Malice
Special Rules for a Chaos Space Marines Army
The Sons of Malice are ruled by and devoted to hate itself. They display pure nihilistic tendencies and seek nothing less than the complete annihilation of everything in their path. Their god is Malal, barely spoken or known of by the ranks of the Imperium, and perhaps not even by the Emperor himself.
Malal holds the greatest contempt for all other beings of the Warp, and those who deal with the Warp, and does not consort with daemons or patron gods at all. For those who do know of Malal, they theorize that his seething hatred for existence is perceived by those in contact with the Warp (including the Emperor) as merely the evil and spite constantly poured out by all of Chaos. In this way, Malal envelops himself in the shadow of Chaos, whilst simultatneously loathing it. He views the emotions comprising the other Chaos gods as trivial and inconsequential, ultimately doing little to destroy the pointless blob which is the known universe.
Devotees of Malal, and more specifically the Sons of Malice, also share the contempt of the Warp and its denizens, and those who use it to advance their causes. A Chaos Space Marines army may be a Sons of Malice army provided it abides by the following rules:
-A Sons of Malice army may not include any of the following: Daemon Princes, Mutilators, Possessed, Heldrakes, Warp Talons, Obliterators, Maulerfiends, Forgefiends, Defilers, Sorcerers, any unit with a Mark of Chaos. In addition it may not ally with Codex Daemons or any Forgeworld unit with a Daemonic alignment (Daemon of…).
-All Sons of Malice units must purchase Veterans of the Long War whenever possible.
-All units in a Sons of Malice army have the following special rules: Hatred, Preferred Enemy (Chaos Space Marines and Daemons).
Champions in any Sons of Malice unit may be upgraded to a Demogogue for 30 points. The Demogogue counts as having a master-crafted Power Maul, and grants the unit Stubborn, Adamantium Will, and Furious Charge. He may purchase other weapons and wargear available to a normal Champion, but must keep his Power Maul.
A Lord of Malice may replace a weapon for a Nihilissicum for 50 points. It is a javelin-like device that has both a ranged profile and counts as a power lance:
Range 18” S5/AP3 Large Blast, Assault 1, Haywire, Ignores cover, Blind
The Lord does not need to target a model to fire the Nihilissicum, and may fire it even if engaged in close combat at his Initiative step instead of striking blows. Place a marker where he wishes to center the blast and scatter it as normal. Leave this marker in place after the blast is resolved. The Lord may pick it up again in a later Movement Phase by moving into base contact with it, but not while engaged in close combat..
A Lord of Malice may replace a close combat weapon for a Dread-axe for 50 points, a close combat weapon with the following profile:
S:+1/AP2, Ignores Invulnerable Saves, Concussive, Two-handed, Fleshbane
I think this would be pretty fun. I guess it's basically a Chaos version of old Black Templars (or maybe the new ones too). Maybe in another month I'll find someone to do a test game and see how it plays in an Escalation format.
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Yeah, those are some really cool conversions, and look very mean. I like his fluff too; it does sound right that Malal would relish the sowing of distrust amongst allies, as nothing breeds hate more quickly than betrayal!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/06 21:39:05
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Pustulating Plague Priest
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I may be wrong on this but though Malal hates Chaos, he does actually have daemons. I'd say keep the daemon related material (it could always be a daemon of Malal).
As for Sons of Malice fluff, here's some http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Sons_of_Malice
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Faithful... Enlightened... Ambitious... Brethren... WE NEED A NEW DRIVER! THIS ONE IS DEAD! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/07 02:59:16
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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Awesome! Thank you very much for the link. Interesting that they have been seen using Bloodletters and Plaguebearers, and so I could use either Heralds of Khorne/Nurgle or even Bloodthirsters/GUOs in an Allied Detachment for them (properly bound of course).
I still like the idea of limiting of their use of daemonic units, but perhaps just not permitting Marks of Chaos makes more sense.
I'll have to read up more on that Kaleb Daark fellow. Every army needs a special character !
And the Shadow of Malice (the big Daemon fellow I posted about) should cost 1100 points, since they favor the number 11. That's fair since he could probably give Angraath a run for his money in close combat the way I wrote it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/07 03:09:17
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Pustulating Plague Priest
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Erm... oops. What I meant by using daemons was that Malal has his own daemons (well... I think). Not the daemons from the other Chaos gods though.
Kind of figured that Kaleb Daark fellow would show up at some point. He was originally in WHFB but the warp Is an odd place when it comes to time.
EDIT: Here's one! http://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.ca/2013/02/the-malignancy-of-malal-lesser.html
I tried posting a pic but it didn't really work. Hopefully the link works and is the actual daemon.
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Faithful... Enlightened... Ambitious... Brethren... WE NEED A NEW DRIVER! THIS ONE IS DEAD! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/08 18:07:03
Subject: Idea for Malal
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
Eindhoven, Netherlands
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I found the following somewhere:
"...unlike his brother god, he (Malal) is capable of entering materium through demonic possession if his followers had enough sacrifice..."
So technically, it would be possible for him to enter the materium. He would still be waaay to powerful, even for Apocalypse.
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1400 points of EW/MW Italians (FoW)
2200 points of SoB and Inquisition (40K)
1000 points of orks (40K)
Just starting out with Ultramarines (30K)
Four 1000-2500 point forces for WHFB (RIP)
One orc team (Blood Bowl) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/08 18:12:48
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Pustulating Plague Priest
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Maybe an avatar then? Some sort of small manifestation of Malal's power a bit like C'tan shards?
It would be bending the fluff a bit but it could still work.
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Faithful... Enlightened... Ambitious... Brethren... WE NEED A NEW DRIVER! THIS ONE IS DEAD! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/08 20:23:48
Subject: Idea for Malal
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Lord Krungharr wrote:***Pinnacles of Hate: Malal is hatred incarnate; he and every unit within 12” has the Hatred (Everything!) special rule.
Perhaps ironically, he especially hates daemons and views the causes of all other Chaos gods as ridiculous and trivial at best. For this reason, Malal must always attempt to Charge the closest unit with the Daemon rule if both he and it are not Zooming or Swooping, and if it is Charge range.
In addition, Malal may not be used in an army with Daemon Lords, Daemon Princes (even Chaos Space Marine versions), or any unit from or counting as Chaos Daemons. Wargear and abilities from Codex: Chaos Daemons have no effect upon Malal (ie. the Grimoire of True Names).
Two questions about this part: first of all, if every unit within 12" gains hatred, do enemy units do so as well? Perhaps it's better to re-write this as 'any models from Codex: Chaos Space Marines'
Secondly: I'd change the part where he may not be in the same army as daemons into 'may not be included in the same army as any models with the 'daemon' special rule. This also applies to any allied forces.'
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1400 points of EW/MW Italians (FoW)
2200 points of SoB and Inquisition (40K)
1000 points of orks (40K)
Just starting out with Ultramarines (30K)
Four 1000-2500 point forces for WHFB (RIP)
One orc team (Blood Bowl) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/09 12:14:56
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Morphing Obliterator
Elsewhere
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Hi.
Malal is by far my favorite god, so please indulge me.
1) It is a god. It shouldn´t be represented in the tabletop. Your rules may work for a 1000 points Daemon Lord, equivalent to Aetaos’rau’keres (Tzeentch), An’ggrath (Khorne), Scabeiathrax (Nurgle) or Zarakynel (Slaanesh), but not for Malal itself.
2) It has lesser daemons, greater daemons, champions, heralds and daemon princes of its own. It is a faction in itself, unable to ally with Chaos Daemons or to be represented using units from Codex: Chaos Daemons. Only undivided options could be taken.
3) Malal is not exactly hate. It is hate towards yourself. Suicide, self-mutilation, self-contempt, self-destruction. "the embodiment of Chaos' indiscriminate and anarchic tendency toward destruction, even of itself and its own agents". His servants are "those that serve that which they hate" and "smile upon their misfortune". They mutilate themselves and become more powerful because of this. They tear their own eyes apart to bolster their sight and cut their own tendons to get stronger. Malal followers and Malal daemons hate other Chaos followers and Chaos daemons, including other Malal followers and Malal daemons, and including themselves.
Here you have some analysis over interviews with Tony Ackland and Rick Priestley, concerning the creation of Malal, with drawings of Malal Daemons.
http://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/the-malignancy-of-malal-solving-mystery.html
And here is a model of a Malal lesser daemon: http://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.com.es/2013/02/the-malignancy-of-malal-lesser.html
Hope it serves.
By the way, the Sons of Malice are just space marines. They are cool, but we have lots of them already. On the other way, Malal, the Enemy of the Gods, is a brand new faction.
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‘Your warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (…) When this campaign is won, you and I will have words’
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 05:29:11
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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Whoa! That turned me on my head  And I'm much more intrigued now. One of these days I'll be sure to sculpt a huge version of the greater daemon of Malal, but I'm giving it a Dread Axe dammit! Those little beasties are creepy looking too. Kinda Tzeentchy in the head but that can be tweaked.
There's probably too much bad blood between GW and the Malal creator but it would be nice if they got that stuff back to use it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 06:56:28
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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greyknight12 wrote:Malal is a chaos god...while not as powerful as, say, Khorne; he's still not going to be adequately represented on the tabletop. In addition, I don't think that the Chaos gods can take physical form due to the way they interact with realspace.
Actually, I remember reading that the 11 Doomed Ones (Malice's champions) sacrificed themselves to give Malice physical form in realspace. I believed it was stated that there was a time limit to how long he'd maintain a material form but it was apparently long enough for them to start heading towards the battlefront of the 13th Black Crusade to hopefully wreck face for a bit. And that the Former Chapter Master of the Sons of Malice was off on a quest to gather a bunch of artifacts in order to give Malice enough power to threaten the Big 4 and grant a greater amount of stability in realspace (as he had already been banished from the Warp by the Big 4 in an attempt to destroy him which didn't quite work out as planned, or as the Big Blue Bird would say, NOT AS PLANNED! NOT AS PLANNED!!!!!!).
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 09:01:22
Subject: Re:Idea for Malal
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Calm Celestian
Windsor Ontario Canada
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King Pariah wrote:or as the Big Blue Bird would say, NOT AS PLANNED! NOT AS PLANNED!!!!!!).
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