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Librarian: Terminator+storm shield, storm bolter = 148 (divination)

Furioso: frag cannon, heavy flamer, fists, grapple, pod = 170
5 Terminators: CML, chainfist = 235

10 ASM: 2 plasma = 220
10 ASM: 2 meltas, PS = 215

998

Pretty basic all around list, furioso creates chaos hopefully getting first kill. termies and libby march up field as backbone providing lots of fire with CML and 6 SB and can charge in to beefier units. ASM are cleanup crews and all around helpers, meltas can split up against heavy antitank, plasma provide supporting fire before charges and so on. This list covers many opponents except flyers i think. Thoughts? Tournament is this Saturday its semi-competitive but i would like a shot at winning.

I would try to fit in a Sanguinary priest or 2, or some rhinos to help keep the ASM healthy. Might want to deep strike termis.

I like this list overall, but I'm not sure if it'll do so well in tournaments. Why? Well, it's BA list. Okay, just kidding. But you will have hard time surviving with those Assault Marines, as said a Priest would help you a lot but is not mandatory.
I'm wondering if the plasma guns are worth it in ASM. They want to either run or assault most of the time so you will shoot with them like once or twice in a game.

With all that said, I'd concider following changes:
- drop the Storm Bolter from Libby
- change the Plasma to Meltaguns in ASM
- after these you have 15 points. That sounds like a Power Weapon to me.

Any BA list struggles, but it especially struggles at 1000pts or less. Rather than termis who can't reliably do anything worthwhile until turn 3 at best, i'd just max out your troops and try and hit them with an assault marine wall.
Something like:
Librarian
jp, force sword/axe

10 man assault squad
2 melta (soomemafia makes a good point about plasma guns, but also you want to get into assault asap so you can just ignore any flyers.)

10 man assault squad
2 melta

10 man assault squad
2 flamer

Furioso
magna grapple, frag cannon, melta gun (heavy flamer is wasted if you take the grapple)
pod

Attack bike
multimelta

1k

I honestly think the termis are a handy cap for you at this points range.

Thanks guys!!! (haha BA are totes broken right now what are you talking about?) Ok ill address points individually to make it easier:

Priests: would love them but cant spare 75 points in this list for them :/ oh well, their not that amazing anyways
(rhinos - their jump packers sorry for confusion so that wouldnt work)

Plasma: i took these for support fire and objectives, but now that you point it out i was gonna use them for cleanup from firepower (a good amount of mid-close range firepower against mostly hordes) and your idea of two similiar squads would work better i guess. Down to playtesting now!!!

Any more suggestions would be great, i do realize BA arent super viable but i felt like taking a step away from my daemons for a bit and being the underdog at the tourney. Again though, its not super competitive but i will need to deal with some OP tactics.

For me the Priests have always been worth the while, but as said you don't necessarily need them.
Fair points, but I still think that assault weapon suits them better. If nothing else, at least they are cheaper.
I still think that Storm Bolter has to go.
Oh, and I missed it previously but don't take magna-grapple. Definitely not worth the 15 points.

Magna grapple is worth it if you take melta gun and frag cannon!

OOOOOh the multiple ASM rush sounds pretty good. However i have a quick question for the likes you guys:

Thoughts on Mephiston at 1000? If i can create a large enough distraction he can run up and smash his way through enemy lines. The question is what to back him up with, Devastators? preds or Baals? anyone have good stories of running him at low points?

Any character worth more than 1/5 of your points is pretty bad.
Mephiston just might be worth it, but I wouldn't count on it.

If i Ran Mephiston this might be what i would go with:

Mephiston

Furioso in pod w/ melta and frag canon and grapple

10 ASM w/ flamers
5 ASM w/ flamers

Baal Pred w/ AC and HB sides
2 Attack Bikes w/ MM
1 AB 2/ MM

really aggressive list, the 5 ASM are either to capture back objectives or escort a certain killing machine (mephy), Baal to run up, Furioso causes problems while others speed moves up fast, AB are there to target tanks and support the 10 ASM or basically anywhere needed. Mephy does the dirty work.

 TheComedian wrote:
If i Ran Mephiston this might be what i would go with:

Mephiston

Furioso in pod w/ melta and frag canon and grapple

10 ASM w/ flamers
5 ASM w/ flamers

Baal Pred w/ AC and HB sides
2 Attack Bikes w/ MM
1 AB 2/ MM

really aggressive list, the 5 ASM are either to capture back objectives or escort a certain killing machine (mephy), Baal to run up, Furioso causes problems while others speed moves up fast, AB are there to target tanks and support the 10 ASM or basically anywhere needed. Mephy does the dirty work.

I like Mephiston in all circumstances... I like this list... might be a bit easy to kill the assault marines though... might want to ditch an attack bike or something for a Sanguinary Priest or something.

Haha ok just play tested the Meph list and wow it is very good actually, being hyper aggressive from turn 1. I played against a Double tervigon List: my brothers who is also going to the tournament) and he narrowly won an objectives game by 2 points mostly due to some horrible rolls on my part (namely Mephy dying to a Tervigon with it 1 wound left and it making 2 5+ DtW rolls to save itself and some other bad stuff). However it was very close the rest of the list performed very well especially the AB. So to be more reliable i will swap out meph, keep the rest but how should i fill in the extra points?

Libby or reclusiarch? dropping the lone AB for a dev ML squad? beefing up the 5 man unit? adding a priest possibly on bike? im not sure how to round out this aggressive list all help would be wonderful and the help already is great.

1000 pt SURPRISE Mephiston list:

HQ:
Mephiston

Elite:
Furioso Librarian Dreadnought with Wings and Shield - 175

Troops:
10 man assault squad, sergeant has a Power Axe, Godhammer pattern Land Raider dedicated transport - 420

5 man assault squad, Razorback, TLd lascannons - 155

Hide the Furioso Libby and Mephiston behind the LR, move up twelve inches at a time, shooting lots of lascannons at things, LR and Dread get cover from shield. Get to your enemies, rip tear and smash. Pretty simple. No one will see it coming at 1000 points. This is MOSTLY a joke. Not entirely though.

Instead of Mephiston, if you insist on not using him, you could do a libby, and get a sanguinary priest or 2 on jump packs with the squads. I think that would help the overall list. Maybe even if you have enough points you can make the 5-man unit a 10 man unit.

 TheComedian wrote:
If i Ran Mephiston this might be what i would go with:

Mephiston

Furioso in pod w/ melta and frag canon and grapple

10 ASM w/ flamers
5 ASM w/ flamers

Baal Pred w/ AC and HB sides
2 Attack Bikes w/ MM
1 AB 2/ MM

really aggressive list, the 5 ASM are either to capture back objectives or escort a certain killing machine (mephy), Baal to run up, Furioso causes problems while others speed moves up fast, AB are there to target tanks and support the 10 ASM or basically anywhere needed. Mephy does the dirty work.

Now this is actually a very good list!
But those 5 marines are a bit easy target. Give them Plasma Gun & Razeorbakc and they shall keep the objective. (points from the lonely MM-AB?)
After that, I love it! Altough I'm still a bit worried about Mephy :/ Meh, it'll be fun at least

Ok Im happy with how this list has turned out, it has a good fighting chance i think. But i need to know what people think:

Mephiston: YES or NO?

He is obviously good i would just hate for him to be instakilled before anything happens cuz that would a huge blow to my army...

Plus dropping him would round out the rest of my list, i could get a Librarian and Devs ML (if dropping single AB) or go priests which i think COULD in theory be less of a points drain and support the rush and crush of everything else.

Hes more of a worry (due to cost and lack of protection) and I have yet for him to absolutely demolish anything (given ive only played 3 games with him so...) so im just on the fence. What are people thinking: Mephy or Round out the list?

Thanks again so many people have commented with great stuff

If you know who you are facing, then take mephiston if they have a usual army... if they have a history of spamming something stupid also, then you might want to adjust accordingly... if you don't know, then I would say no, just a risk to too many ways he could be useless.

Here would be the revised non-Mephiston List, which would be better in a tournament setting?

Reclusiarch: jp, pf, = 155

Furioso: grapple, frag cannon, melta w/pod = 175
Priest: JP, ps= 90

10 ASM: 2 flamers, melta bombs= 205
6 ASM: , melta bombs = 123

Baal Pred: AC, HB sides = 145
2 AB: 2 MM ='100

998

 TheComedian wrote:


, the 5 ASM are either to capture back objectives or escort a certain killing machine (mephy),

by escort you dont mean mephiston joining the unit right.... because hes not an ic.

@ninjafiredragon no more like be a shield plus support him in his combats and stuff.

Well, Mephiston doesn't exactly need any "support in combat"

 soomemafia wrote:
Well, Mephiston doesn't exactly need any "support in combat"

Very true... I would ditch the attack bikes and get priests.

Attack bikes can be very helpfull

You really want biker priests to hang out with jumpers and attack bikes.