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Bought two stormravens and two stormtalons before deciding on what to play! So was wondering if this list is viable at all.

HQ

Chapter master - artificer armor, TH, shield eternal, bike 250

5 man Command squad - 5 grav-guns, 5 SS, bike, apothecary 275

Troops

5 man Bike squad - 2 grav-guns, 1 combi-grav 145

5 man Bike squad - 2 grav-guns, 1 combi-grav 145

5 man Bike squad - 2 grav-guns, 1 combi-grav 145

5 man Bike squad - 2 grav-guns, 1 combi-grav 145

Heavy support

Thunderfire cannon 100

Thunderfire cannon 100

Stormraven - AC/MM/Extra armor 205

Storm Wing Formation

Stormraven - AC/MM/Extra armor 205

Stormtalon - lascannon/AC 140

Stormtalon - typhoon/ AC 145

2000 points

Is the Air-force overkill? Or are there too little guys on the ground?

Any help or advice or criticisms would be greatly appreciated thank you.

How many bikes are in a bike squad? (I only play ravenwing bikes!!!) and what does the formation but mean? Is there too many Heavy support or Fast attack? Or are you double FOC?

Sorry bout that it's 5 guys in every bike squad and it's the storm wing formation which include 1 storm raven and 2 storm talons that don't take up fast attack or heavy support slots.

Ok, I don't know how formations work! My bad. This list will be fun....as for competitiveness? Probably not. Are storm talons flyers or skimmers? If they're fliers then you're at risk..it'll mean you only have 26 models on the board at the beginning of the game... It's not a great deal...

It also means that your bikes will be working really hard... That's not the best situation.

I'll put it into context, I don't think my list is uber competitive, but I start the game with 33 bikes on the board. 20 have twin linked plasma guns. 12 have salvo 4 bolt guns, 11 have feel no pain, 1 is a librarian, and 4 carry melta guns. I then add 2 multi melta attack bikes, a dirty jet bike with a plasma cannon, and 3 land speeders... You can perhaps see my point? If your fliers don't come in from reserve you risk getting tabled really easily!

I think storm ravens are really good, but I'd perhaps look at dropping one for more bikes. Not sure on the points values? I think ravens are around 200 points. I am a big bike list fan though! So I automatically love the idea!

It's generally a good idea to fill your troops slots in a bike list. It doesn't have to be all bikes, intact I'd say don't go all bikes. Maybe a couple of speeder storms with scouts of your choice for objective grabbing. I'd drop a raven for the points.

I don't believe that you can have 5 Grav-guns in your command squad. If you upgrade, and i recommend it, to the Apoth....I'm pretty sure they can't be equipped with a Grav-gun. I might be wrong though.

Not sure if your Chapter Master gets a command squad rather than honor guard, honor guard can't have bikes. Or if the Chapter Master unlocks bikes as troops. I "think" its just the company level stuff that does that.

Malik_Raynor wrote:
I don't believe that you can have 5 Grav-guns in your command squad. If you upgrade, and i recommend it, to the Apoth....I'm pretty sure they can't be equipped with a Grav-gun. I might be wrong though.

I think you can...

"any veteran may take items from the Melee weapons list, Ranged weapons list or special weapons list"
"any veteran may take ...Melta bombs....storm shield"

I have my 'Scars bike command squads all modelled with storm shields, melta bombs, gravguns and power lances, including my apothecarys and champions, as I give my veterans their choices before upgrading them to Apoth, Champ or standard bearer. Nowhere does it say that the veteran loses his kit when he is promoted.

I will be putting some pics of my nearly completed 'Scars army up soon, 2 bike companies, 2 sternguard companies, Land speeder company (30 speeders), Scout Company(5 squads in Storms, 5squads on bikes), Heavy Company (5 Predator squadrons, 3 Whirlwind squadrons and 2 Vindicator squadrons) with Stormbird, Stormeagle, Stormhawks and Stormtalons support. I have the Stormbird and 2 Stormhawks to finish painting. I hope to be able to set them all out for pics in early Feb, my local gaming club are going to help me set them up on the hall floor.

theres a big debate on the apoc thing, best to stay out of it....
i like the list for sure.
you dont need 5 storm sheilds on your command squad tho, thats for sure. you probobally dont even need one.

the chapmaster should be tanking those wounds.

I only use Jaghatai with PHG, only in high points pre-heresy games.
I have Kor'Sarro following a bike squad with attached MOTF.
My command squads are always led by a chaplain or librarian, (80% chaplain)
In low point games Kor'sarro attaches to a bike squad and the command squad rides alone.
I use 28mm medieval knights for the lances and shields so I think they look really good .
I agree the shields are a bit of a waste of points but some people demand wysiwyg.
Can you give me a pointer to the main sites discussing the apoc gravgun thing?

I'm of the belief that apothecaries cannot take Grav Guns as they aren't Vets. Storm Shields on the Command Squad are unnecessary. I believe the list will do well enough.

 Feasible wrote:
I'm of the belief that apothecaries cannot take Grav Guns as they aren't Vets. Storm Shields on the Command Squad are unnecessary. I believe the list will do well enough.

But a command squad starts off as 5 veterans, you can't have a command squad not veteran. An apothecary has to be a veteran.
.... 1 veteran can be upgraded to an apothecary........
I thought the ggun issue had been answered by GW FAQ.
“Any Veteran may take items from the Special Weapons list.”

You require a captain or otherwise to take the command squad, so I'm afraid you'll have to change the chapter master.

Otherwise I think it'll be fun to play with. I'd probably take Khan myself just for the cheap flexibility.

You have plenty of grav guns, why not try 4 power lances on the command squad? They have hit and run, so can leave if need be, at a higher initiative if you add the captain.

If you downgrade to the captain and take power lances, there's some points left, sternguard in drop pod...

I agree he should change the chaptermaster for Kor'sorro.
In exchange for 1 wound and 1 attack he gets Moonfang and d3 Hammer of Wrath attacks + all bikes and units in dedicated transports get scout. + saves 15points.
He can replace a Stormraven with a 2MM Sternguard unit in a TLMM or TLAC Razorback.