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So apparently the White Scars just permi killed him in the latest Black Library book, I haven't read it myself but something about it being a "real" death.

Does this mean no Doomrider Dataslate?

I know generally BL and rules aren't tied together but, with no mention of him save for very vague data slate rumors could this be GW throwing us a bone by "explaining" his disappearance.

that'd be my guess.

doom rider was obviously inspired by ghost rider and GW may have decided it was too close and to include him risked getting sued

Eldrad is dead in the fluff but is still a playable character. So, yeah.

Have never been able to see the resemblance. The bike is different, they dress different, the carry different things, their heads are different, the only thing that is similar is the flames where the head is supposed to be.

I'm assuming this is Master of the Hunt? Is that mp3 only? I'm curious how one can permanently kill a Daemon Prince. Also, didn't realize that Doomrider was a prince.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Have never been able to see the resemblance. The bike is different, they dress different, the carry different things, their heads are different, the only thing that is similar is the flames where the head is supposed to be.

he's a guy with a flaming skull for a head who runs around on a bike named *-Rider.

I can certinly see GW not wanting to take unnnesscary chances

BrianDavion wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
Have never been able to see the resemblance. The bike is different, they dress different, the carry different things, their heads are different, the only thing that is similar is the flames where the head is supposed to be.

he's a guy with a flaming skull for a head who runs around on a bike named *-Rider.

I can certinly see GW not wanting to take unnnesscary chances

Well his head isn't actually a skull - he's fleshed, just Slaaneshi pale - and "-rider" comes with the bike territory really.

Was it that? I had heard that he was still alive (like his head is still talking alive but they bound it so that he couldn't speak. Makes no sense at all but uuuuh still doesn't).

I m not sure how much time will pass, till we get a new slate. I think that GWs christmas rush has passed. Apart from that, GW hasn't removed the mini from the site, and it does not matter if he is dead or not, (which seems extraordinarily unlikely to happen) if they where to publish a dataslate for him. They would do that on the christmas rush though, not now.

While I thought Doomrider was a pretty fun character and I'm a bit disappointed to see him go, (I was actually planning on converting one if they made a datasheet) I hope this "death" might just be the first of a "De-plot armor-affection" if you will. But knowing the BL, if plot armor was removed, all chaos and xenos ICs would be dead in a month.

Edited for grammar. and to make this foot note.

He's not dead for good according to Lexicanum's synopsis. His head is still alive (which probably causes some issues with the White Scars tradition of putting the head on display)

(How is his head still alive? Well, he's a friggin' daemon prince. You aren't supposed to be able to kill those by normal means in the first place)

Assuming the Lexi is correct, if GW wants to bring him back, all they have to do is make a plot where his head escapes and gets back on its body.

TiamatRoar wrote:
He's not dead for good according to Lexicanum's synopsis. His head is still alive (which probably causes some issues with the White Scars tradition of putting the head on display)

(How is his head still alive? Well, he's a friggin' daemon prince. You aren't supposed to be able to kill those by normal means in the first place)

Assuming the Lexi is correct, if GW wants to bring him back, all they have to do is make a plot where his head escapes and gets back on its body.

Thanks for pointing this out. I like this character a lot.

Hope we get some rules soon. A data slate would be cool.

TiamatRoar wrote:
He's not dead for good according to Lexicanum's synopsis. His head is still alive (which probably causes some issues with the White Scars tradition of putting the head on display)

(How is his head still alive? Well, he's a friggin' daemon prince. You aren't supposed to be able to kill those by normal means in the first place)

Assuming the Lexi is correct, if GW wants to bring him back, all they have to do is make a plot where his head escapes and gets back on its body.

Yeah this changes a lot of what I was thinking, could deff see them letting Doomrider ride again now.

Slaaneshi daemon princes have a habit of surviving as disembodied heads. Valkya the Bloody had one nailed to her shield for months before she ascended to daemonhood herself. She liked to punch it in the mouth for being lippy.

I loved Doom Rider. But as it is in the fluff of master of the hunt, he is adoring the steppes of Chogoris.

According to the fluff it prevents him from 'respawning'. Don't know if he will be having a data slate but he didn't appear in the C:CSM.

If GW gives him a data slate I speculate it might be like Cypher, being an Apoc character. Otherwise I don't think there's a chance he won't be appearing.


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I loved Doom Rider. But as it is in the fluff of master of the hunt, he is adoring the steppes of Chogoris.

According to the fluff it prevents him from 'respawning' cos Daemon princes don't die. Don't know if he will be having a data slate but he didn't appear in the C:CSM.

If GW gives him a data slate I speculate it might be like Cypher, being an Apoc character. Otherwise I don't think there's a chance he won't be appearing.

Naw I meant like.... how can you yank off the head of a daemon prince and the body fails but the head lives on talking likely sent to their base to be hung up for months if not centuries? What I mean is, daemons are emotions wrapped together. At any moment their connection eith the warp might sever as they dissapear. It isn't anything big more of just a huh? Type of thing. Still, I can explain it better than a certain other daemon prince humiliation.

I don't think the White Scars will get to enjoy their trophy for long. Doomrider's rules say that he phases back out into the warp on a random roll of a D6. It doesn't say that it only works if he isn't decapitated. He's also a daemon prince, which means he is tied to the warp and can only manifest in places of strong warp power. Like any other daemon, when the influence of the warp recedes, he will vanish.

So, unless there is a permanent warp storm hanging over Chogoris, I expect the Big D will vanish off of that spike and re-form back on his bike in the Eye of Terror sometime before turn 6...

Just realized something. Even if there is no Data sheet-slate-whatever you can still use a doomrider model. Slaanesh Chaos lord, murder sword, bike, plasma gun,, gift of mutation. (or whatever reward you deem appropriate. DOOMRIDER!

You know that Doomrider is probably like, "Wow! that decapitation thing really took care of that kink in my neck, think I'll chill out for a while like this, take a vacation, annoy the gak out of anyone who walks past me, maybe pass out warp dust... nice little change of pace... I'll 'head' on back to Slaanesh once I get bored of this."

He'll be back later. He certainly isn't perma-dead, although the image of Doomrider suffering from a Deadpool-like scenario is hilarious.

You can't kill doomrider man you just can't...

It doesn't matter if we all think that he technically can't die.

There is a reason the book said "While he was severed from the warp."

It is pretty clear that the intention was to get rid of him from the lore.

It's probably because whenever somebody mentions one of the only cool named characters Slaanesh has somebody trying way too hard to be funny screams "He does cocaine!!!!"

Being severed from the warp doesn't kill a daemon, as shown by tesseract labyrinths, the daemon will simply have to wait until it can reconnect. Your server isn't dead just because you lose internet access.

"Doomrider" is not a cool name.

It's the name of a really cheesy 80s hair-metal band. Which is perfectly fitting for the era in which 40K was invented, but, let's be serious here.

... lotta cocaine

They kept Doombreed despite how that's just as silly a name (still in the "canon" as of the Black Legion supplement). I don't see why they can't keep Doomrider. It's pretty clear it's just a nickname anyways, what with his background always being no one's sure who he was (and hence, his true name) before he became a daemon prince, anyways.

IMHO Slaanesh is just the type of god that would go for overly cheesy names. S/he is the god of excess and melodrama, after all.

I ll give you all the idea of what to do with him. Dead or not. We don't care if BL killed him. We know that it does not matter to our 40k game. Also, you want to play him still? You want that slaanesh DP with that bike in your list? Get a 60 mm base find an appropriate bike. Start converting. Make a big bike with a big p.armor DP of slaanesh. Keep on with conversion. Done! You have a DP with bike, eh I meant wings. Who is going to stop you?
Also you can get a 60 mm base then just make a normal bike with a normal size doomrider and simply position him high using terrain and stuff. Itching that's doable and you can still use him as a slaanesh winged prince.

Besides, linear time doesn't exist in the warp. Just because someone bound and perma-killed Doomrider in M.41 doesn't mean he can't show up in M.45 - just like Slaanesh's birth in M.2 doesn't mean he can't show up in M.1.

Not that he's actually permakilled, anyways. His head's apparently still alive (Hell, maybe the body's still alive too somewhere. I don't know the full details). If GW really wanted to get rid of him, they would have, you know, actually killed him, but it seems pretty explicit that he's not dead and if anything, the fact that his head is alive indicates this isn't the end of the story and it will continue, eventually.