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So, like any good war gamer.. I am not happy unless I'm working on some new project. With my Necrons and Nids pretty much complete.. I have been looking to do a White Scars bike list. This is what I have come up with so far. I have a couple of questions and concerns about the set up but here we go.


HQ
Khan on Moondrakken
CCS On bikes - Khan will go here
apoth
sarg
3 x vets with 3x SS 3xgravgun 3xstorm bolter and company standard

Troops:
3 full bike units all with the same load out as below
7 x biker with 2 x grav gun
1 x sarg with combi grav and melta bombs
Attack bike with multimelta

Fast attack:
LS-Squad 2 x speeders with typhoon
2 x stormtalon with skyhammer

Heavy:
2 x TFC

This puts me at 1848. I originally had the the CCS kitted for CC but I go back and forth with that. I almost want a chapter master if I do that but he ends up being so expensive that it unbalances my list when I try to find the points. I know there is a lot of grav in the list, but I am not sure when it is "too much" or if there is even such a thing.

I have a couple other options where I bring devastator centurions with coteaz/inquis for some twin linking/servo skulls action. I know someone who runs SW allies and runs a close combat CCS with a chapter master, khan and two rune priests on bikes but for now I really don't want to buy space wolves but would if it turns out it is the best option.

Thoughts?

Ok......
command squad needs all of one special weapon and then an apothecary. thats it.

bike squads need to all have the same weapon, i would recommend melta to go along with your attack bikes.

land speeders need 2 weapons, flamers actually do pretty well actually.

Flamers are dreadful on land speeders, unless they're running suicide missions. Typhoon patterns come with heavy bolters as standard - keep it that way! With speeders you need range, flamers require you to get to close, and considering anything strength 4 and above can take them down, you DO NOT want to be getting that close.

Other than that, some sound advice from ninjafiredragon. I'd ditch the storm bolter on the CCS, and I'd perhaps make each squad have a purpose, perhaps one bike squad with gravs, one with flamers, and one with meltas!

Thanks.. changed it to 4 vets apoth..4 grav guns and took off the banner. Should I keep the ss or drop?

Only reason I split the weapons was to prevent someone from killing that unit But I see the merit in doing all one unit.

I've noticed a few of the changed leaves me about 40 points and not a lot to spend it on

Not entirely sure of the rationale behind unwieldy 7 man squads. You should go for 5 man squads as the optimum number.

If you're running Command Squad, you seriously need a CM to tank.

GK allies work best with Scars and truly put them into top tier.

Drop Khan, he's mostly useless now that servo skulls are available to everyone.

your list should be something like

CM, Bike, Shield Eternal, Power Fist
Command Squad, Apothecary, 4 Grav

Legion of the Damned, Multi-Melta, Meltagun
These guys are the sleeper stars of the SM codex; For 20 points over its Tac squad equivalent you get 3+ invulnerable saves, fearless, slow and purposeful and reliable deep strike... and most importantly, IGNORES COVER! Treat them as throwaway annoyance units for sniping the enemy's backfield units and tanks.

5 Bikers, 2 Grav, Combi Grav
The meat of your force. Grav is definitely the best weapon for them, LoTD are much better at tank hunting than melta bikes. Minimum 4 squads, 5 would be a safe bet.

2 TFCs
Never leave home without them.

Grey Knights Allies
Coteaz to make henchmen troops

3x Acolytes
3x Acolytes
Cheap backfield scoring and MSU.

Stormraven
Mindstrike missiles really put the hurt on Screamerstars, Seer Councils and Loth-bombs, all other common tier one builds.

Optional:
ADL, Quad, Comms Relay
Good for hiding your bikes before the first turn and having so much in reserve a little reserve manipulation can't hurt. Quad gun for additional skyfire, the Storm Raven should suffice in most cases these days.

Chapter master doesn't unlock command squad.

I went with the full bike squads so I could combat squad them if I needed to. Figured I could keep them as a single unit of I needed it. Or CS two units and leave one full.

If you went with smaller bike units you could take more special weapons which would give your list higher offensive capability.