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Oh BOO HOO .You fantasy players feel "neglected?"strange considering that you got an entire kitbash this month in WD.EVERY single LOTR page was simply:Buy this horde army that's in finecast!As a mainly LOTR/hobbit gamer:I WILL NOT GIVE YOU ANY SYMPATHY.You've have several battle reports,armies on parade etc.over the past year.Us hobbit fans feel like we got more then usual when we see a picture of a mumuk.

see that's the thing though, they are at a point of desperation and ....over the past year.. but what about the years previous. every single game store around me with the exception of one basically only hosts 40k.


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plus no sympathy is sought after here just you know trying to write what I feel but it seems dakka dakka is no different than any other site on the internet , jerks are always waiting to crap on everything.


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I felt they had no business taking on LOTR seeing how they have enough trouble with the games they already had and trying to revive it with the hobbit line probably isn't going to work. They are trying to ease into it my friend. testing the waters since LOTR didn't really have much of a following seeing on how it should probably be a character based game instead of an army building game. I don't understand why they didn't just do that in the first place.


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in the manner that they did during the film releases. The world in whfb is derivative plagiarism of the Tolkien world. I feel that they need to offer more in order for it succeed. More in terms of more unique play style etc. So I agree that LOTR is suffering but it's because its basically WHFB just the original version that confusingly enough was (re)made after it.
It died and was resurrected but I feel that since it has similarities with a bigger game that it might die again. I ogled at some pieces at the GW store that used to be in the mall near me and found them interesting, but I was already into whfb and felt there was no reason to play that too (besides that they looked cool). I feel the fault lies with GW on this one yet again . I feel that a different company could do better ( at least as far as gameplay(idk about sculpts).

The problem with fantasy is how not close it is to the actual fighting style of the period. I recently got into fantasy expecting a tactical game that was far smarter than 40k etc, but it was pretty easy. Felt like 40k but instead of shooting my men are wacking. Over all i much prefer historical games as they tend to show that style of warfare better.

I purchased an historics army which i am using for an empire force (my friend really wants someone to play) but i am to use them for actual historics eventually.

But in short i think fantasy fails because (despite what people say) is 40K with super hitty swords instead of super hitty guns. Except far more expensive.

Then (and its a common issue in my area) is how bland the models look. They are designed for rank and file and as a result you have nearly identical models lined up, the detail on them can be pretty bad too (especially the plastics). I feel i get even less for my money in quality than i do for 40k (which also has bland models in terms of detail). But at least i can still make my men have a unique feel. Something you cant get with fantasy (unless you do ogres or something i guess).

So comes the last issue. Characters are a huge focus, to the point where the game is focused on them. 40K can be similar but all my friends and i barely use characters in 40k. We take them because we have to but most of the fun comes from all the normal guys. Something i have tried to do in fantasy but i loose without these stupid demi gods on the feild.

I just feel fantasy is not what it should be and it feels like 40k with uber characters and lightsabe like sqords etc haha. I prefer to use games like king of kings and so on to recreate spears and sword style fighting. And i know many people who feel the same way.

Take combat block style historicals, then add clunky mechanics, game dominating magic, monsters that don't do anything, and an enormous pricetag...

Kings of War does a better job of Fantasy than Fantasy does, other historicals do a better job of being a quality game, and 40k does a better job of the "your dudes" narrative and hobby elements

I've got 3000pts+ of fantasy O&G that have never had a game under GWs rules and possibly never will. Thank god I didn't spend even more on it.

I must have a completely different experience with Fantasy than the rest of the world. In the midwest of "Merica, (Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas, etc) there is a TON of fantasy support and gameplay.

Our fantasy tournaments are not only more frequent, but also dwarf 40k in terms of player turnout.

The reasons 40k is more popular than Fantasy have been discussed over and over again.
WHFB is still the second most popular miniature wargame in the world, and by a large margin.
There is lots of support and there are plenty of players. There are areas where Fantasy is actually even more popular than 40k. WHFB is not going to die anytime soon.

I just heard that a bunch of fantasy armies might be getting dropped. May not be as popular as people think. Or the rumors are crap.

If that happens I'll post a pic of me shoving day old underwear in my mouth and use it as my profile pic.

I have been reading rumours as well regarding armies such as wood elves being ditched, but it makes no sense to do that as they have been cranking out new books the last year and like others have said in other posts, it depends where you are? GW though have made little sense mind... If they were to remove WHFB completely GW might as well pack up and drift into oblivion. Then again I am scared by this....I love my warriors of chaos and the fantasy world GW portrays.

BIG pinch of salt with this one. We shall see what the coming months bring.

Thunderfrog, please don't we don't need to see it.

Posted this elsewhere, it applies here too:

I personally highly doubt that Bretonnia, Wood Elves or Beastmen will go "the way of the squats". For the following reasons:

1) I'm fairly sure (and only fairly because I can't prove it) that GW released a statement saying they will continue selling all the models they currently sell. They may move them from in-store, and they may not update them for years, or even give them a proper codex/army book, but they will still sell them and they will still be valid.

2) (And this is the main reason) There was a huge uproar when Squats were dropped and GW have almost certainly learnt from this mistake, which is what lead to the statement above, I believe. Even if GW had given Squats the "SoB" treatment, people would have been happy. Well, content.

3) Squats were dropped because they didn't really fill any particular role in the 40k universe. They were sort of a mish-mash between Orks and IG. WE and Beastmen are certainly unique and, whilst you could argue that Brets are too similar to Empire, I doubt they'll get dropped either, there is a substantial difference, if you know your stuff.

4) Both HE and DE got army-wide ASF and _______ Prowess. It seems to me like this is a trend meant to continue for all Elven armies.