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I apologize for my ignorance. Got a question about the new tyranid dex and number of CC attacks. Designer note reads that tyranids only gain +1 attack for having an additional pair of close combat weapons. Since a fex has 3 attacks base, does that mean by taking away one or two talons and adding some TLDevs, it only has 2 attacks in HTH? Or does it naturally have an extra attack due to it's loadout being two scytalons, so really a naked fex has 4 (and 5 on the charge)?

I guess my question really is, are the additional attacks for having multiple pairs of CC weps included in the model's statline? I'm guessing they are, but I could be wrong about this. I checked BRB pgs 24 and 51, didn't see anything as to a direct answer.

the attacks in the profile are always base attacks (unless noted) so a fex with 2 sets of scything talons he has 4 attacks, or replace with a shooting weapon and it goes back to 3

No unless it says in the unit entry extra attacks for wargear are not included in the statline.

So a carnifex has 3 base attacks it will always have 3 base. It can add attacks from wargear and possibly removed by opponents powers or wargear.

3 base attacks, is not counting any extra from wargear. so you wouldnt go down to 2 by taking weapons off and trading.


It gains +1 attacks if it has 2 ccw. If it has more they do nothing other than add optional modes of attack (i.e. rending giving you an extra D3 armor pen on a 6).

Not sure specifically on Nids, but usually a model has an attack profile listed in the codex that is its standard profile which is then modified by the wargear it has.

For example, in space marines, a sgt has an attack profile stat of 2. He is equipped with a boltpistol and chainsword, thus he has an extra cc weapon giving him an extra attack added to his base profile stat line.

I'm sure it would be the same with Nids.

Ah thank you for the clarification. My question stemmed from the fact that the scytalons were included as wargear for a naked fex to begin with. I wasn't able to find indicating that the statline did not include wargear (is this anywhere that anyone knows about, or just common knowledge?). I think this should be something the include in the FAQ. Along with Volitile, the Harpy "units" thing, possibly the HTyrant/Guard situation as well.

Thanks again.

Multiple weapons give an EXTRA attack.(page 24) Your profile is basically your character without weapons. Dreadnoughts in older books might still have the 2(3) notation when they start out with 2 melee weapons but otherwise bonus attacks aren't noted in your characteristics

So if by reading this right this would mean that the Swarmlord has total 5 attacks (6 on charge) due to the 2 pairs of bonesabres? His stat line base states 4 attacks.

That is correct. Base 4 +1 for 2 weapons +1 for charging +HoW.