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I am running a 1500-2500 point list consisting of warriors in raiders and 2 fliers with shatterfield missiles and led by Duke Sliscus and I need some middling assault troops to complement the massive amount of ranged firepower just wondering if anybody had any experience of using swarms of these as double tap units and if so how to equip them for the role, I don't like using wyches at all before you all suggest them but I need something to complement my main assault unit of Incubi (in a raider) don't know if reavers would be okay to fill the gap although I know they are also fragile as hell. Any suggestions, just to add some speedy assault tactics to tie my opponents advance up while my raiders and trueborn venoms pour poisoned shots into the rest of the army?And yeah I know dark eldar won't be winning any games with assault either, just need some suggestions to fill that middle ground and give me a decent harrassment unit.
I appreciate your input as I always do, thanks in advance guys.


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Scourges are a little too expensive for my liking and don't really fit the role although they seem a lot more survivable but unless I make one a solarite they don't really fit the assault/ harrassing role.


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I like the idea of hit and run and their hammer of wrath atttacks giving the enemy something to at least think twice about when they deploy their assault/ infiltrator units too close to my paper armoured shooty raiders.


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Maybe even upgrading one to the baron if the points allow it.

I'm genuinely surprised there have been no responses on this yet.

My only experience with DE is from watching a friend play them, he says beast masters and beasts are better by far.

Your lack of responses might be because your in army list instead of tactics.
Ask a mod to move it and you might have better luck.

If any Mods are monitoring this thread I only just realised it's in army lists instead of tactics, could you please move it to tactics?

The general consensus I seem to hear is that there are better options. The community opinion seems to be that they aren't necessarily a bad unit, just that they compete for FOC slots with units that are better than them. Since you run a Sliscus list, they've got a good chance of hitting at S5 or 6, depending on your drug cocktail. They've got some good mobility, and Hit and Run is always nice.

When it comes to the Fast Attack slots, mathhammer indicates that Beastmasters will put out more damage, with greater survivability and essentially the same mobility, all for fewer points.

If you've got them as troops, then conventional wisdom says Kaballites will consistently outperform them over the course of a game, while Wyches will do almost as well in assault. The prevailing logic is that the Hellions are a good unit choice that just so happens to face some stiff competition.

Think about it this way. There was some guy that the Chicago Bulls would have drafted if they hadn't picked up Jordan. And I'll bet money that guy was GOOD. He just wasn't Jordan good. Hellions are kind of in a similar boat.

I like allying them into another army. Since I have so many armies to pick from, I like to use 'guest stars' in competitive events (a single troop+HQ choice) in order to keep my lists unpredictable. The Baron and one of his packs of Hellions make for a great guest star choice, since they synergize well. For slow armies (like my Drop Pod marines) the Baron can provide some much needed mobility. And for a Dark Eldar list, the Hellions can provide a nice mobile scoring unit, while the Baron joins up with a Seer council for some heinous re-rollable 2++ shenanigans.

Yeah I know they could be hard hitters but still beast masters with razorwing flocks always seem like the better choice.

The main reason for them to be added was because they were the intended unit for the baron to join. When they didnt bother to put in the caveat that he could only join them, players realized they could abuse this by adding him to other units such as a seer council and not have to bother with them.

I have been considering eldar allies, what about reaver jetbikes are they any good on the tabletop?












Was considering taking eldar allies, what about reaver jetbikes, are they any good on the tabletop?

Reaver Jetbikes are absolutely brilliant. They can get where they need to be, put huge pressure on people by getting there (I've yet to face an enemy who hasn't dropped EVERYTHING to shoot them down the next turn, even if it takes their whole army to do so.), can be kitted out for AT/TEQ, and pretty much guarantee line breaker or a contest if you're playing them intelligently.

A decent-sized hellion blob (~15) with the Baron is an awesome unit, doesn't matter which FOC slot they're in. Though Troops makes them scoring, they're at least denial. With Hit & Run they can slingshot into your opponent's backfield to shoot & stab squishes such as heavy support guns, and in a pinch they can glance most vehicles in CC due to S3+1 from hellglaives. Though, as mentioned, in a Sliscus list their S likely goes up even more, never mind once they've got FNP & FC.

I love running 'em both.

hellions are good in large blob squads of around 20 with the Duke ( think its him) puts out a lot of shooting and combat attack and is v quick. Hammer of wrath from that number is quite nasty just by itself.

Although if you have invested that amount of points in it i would have said its better off in a beast squad. but they are still a viable choice.

I used to think that they were okay but not very good. Reece used them a fair amount after the eldar codex dropped and from those batreps I would say they can be pretty good.

Well, if you really like them and have points to fill, a unit of 20 with the Baron will do a ton of damage and be a lot of fun. This is especially true with the bonus to drugs that you get from the Duke.

Like Jimsolo mentioned, there's just better stuff. Objectively, beastpacks are better, but I definitely prefer Hellions. Actually, I mostly only use Scourges out of the FA slot, but I don't use them for CC.

I like scourges, surprisingly durable but expensive, I like the idea of a swarm of hellions with the baron filling a mobile role, hit and run harrassing units like terminators or devastators or anything else which will pose a significant threat to my paper raiders.