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Hi everyone,

I've recently joined this amazing forum and already loving what it contains so I decided to share some of my questions with the rest of you regarding "Apocalypse"

Now if some of you have read my introduction post you would already know im not a collector for actually playing warhammer but more on the side of painting and building armies for the fun of doing so.
I have been recently pretty interested and drawn in to the all the apocalypse showdowns going on. I have to say the extensive collection of finely detailed minis blow me away especially the space marine apocalypse chapters. I was feeling myself being pushed into picking up some more items to my current army to actually qualify in being a proud owner of an blood angel apocalypse chapter.

Ok so where to start? This was my thread posting my current army list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/572650.page and need to know what would be cool to add to it. Remember im not interested in rules of the play neither am I following the games workshop rule book etc so im free to add anything or everything and I just wanted to see what everyone else thought would be a good apocalypse chapter and why....

Look forward to hearing some of your thoughts - in the mean time here's a pic I've fallen in love with featuring the blood angels in an apocalypse scale

the rest of these guys army is on this link

The chapter master riding in a fellblade.

Must contain a thunderhawk. Absolutely must contain a thunderhawk!

so is a fellblade a forgeworld version of the standard bane blade or are they same thing???


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thunderhawk....if memory serves correctly this is another forgeworld airship that carries tanks??

 kerikhaos wrote:
so is a fellblade a forgeworld version of the standard bane blade or are they same thing???

Fellblade to baneblade what Vindicator was to demolisher.

Ive got you........I was looking into some tank options and thought that the bane blades were not something available to the space marines but to the imperial forces only.......???

how about this thing? anyone know anything about it? points, attacks, abilities etc etc?

I think its called the caesters or something

Welcome to Dakka!

Frist off, there's a difference between a Chapter of space marines, which is an automonous body with its own fleet, recruitment, and hierarchy, and a Company, which is a constituent component of a chapter.

you can, and some people have, collected a full chapter, but that's north of 1000 infantry and dozens of vehicles. A company is more representative of a battle force seen in all but the largest conflicts.

As for what it includes, that's really up to you. You can build a strong theme, with everythign droppodding, teleporting, or riding in a thunderhawk. You can build a strong mechanized force, with everything moutned in rhinos. You can build a battle hardened company, with less then full strength squads and a mixture of transports and weapons. You can also look outside of "codex" marines, and build a Space Wolf Great Company, or even a renegade (but maybe still loyal...) company.

I once had a complete company of custom marines, but I sold it. If I were to build again from the ground up, I'd do something like this:

Captain with command squad in Landraider
2x librarian (terminator and PA), 2x Chaplain (Jump Pack and foot)

six tactical squads, with a two in drop pods, Two in Rhinos, and two in Razorbacks.
Assault Squad with flamers
Bike Squad (representing the second assault squad)
2 Devestator squads, each with a razorback

that's a full company, by the book. I'd add some support from the 1st and 10th companies:
Terminator shooting squad, teleporting
Terminator assault squad in Land Raider
Ironclad in Pod
2x Dreadnoughts, one Assault cannon, heavy flamer, the other Lascannon/Missile Launcher

Scout snipers
Scouts with shotguns and BP/CCW

It's called as casteus assault ram and is one of the worst models FW have made.

First I would make sure you can field a full company of marines. Build a battle company. 100 marines, 6/2/2 tac/assault/dev. Captain, Chaplain, command, 3 dreads. From a fluff perspective, if marines are fighting an apocalypse sized battle, they should be there in company strength. It looks like your collection is not that far from reaching this goal. There is a definite level of feeling awesome when you go from “I can field around 3,000 points of marines” to “I field the 3rd company of the Ultramarines” (replace with your company and chapter as needed)

From there, add stuff to support it. If you are actually looking at playing apoc games, look at the dataslates and built towards another formation. Or just get stuff you think looks cool. Tank squadrons, terminator squads, a smattering of scouts, air support, whatever.

At some point, you might want to add a centerpiece model. This is probably going to be some big FW kit. A lot of personal preference going into picking which one you like. And if looks or rules are more important to you.

thanks guys for the input....really helpful and gives me a better understanding of the chapter / company content. Again im not sure I would be that confident actually playing a real apocalypse battle with my army as much as I love doing this just because of my passion for painting marines but its good to know what I should invest in.

I like the opinions so far.......

so bigger model kits from FW would give me reason to be thinking a super expensive titan? I just checked those things.....we talking a lot of money for what they actually are. I mean an easy 800 quid spent on a single model for me is pretty expensive. Have people attempted making these things from raw parts in the past? How well do they turn out and can you provide a home made titan model to a gw tournament???

thanks again for all the feedback

 kerikhaos wrote:
thanks guys for the input....really helpful and gives me a better understanding of the chapter / company content. Again im not sure I would be that confident actually playing a real apocalypse battle with my army as much as I love doing this just because of my passion for painting marines but its good to know what I should invest in.

I like the opinions so far.......

so bigger model kits from FW would give me reason to be thinking a super expensive titan? I just checked those things.....we talking a lot of money for what they actually are. I mean an easy 800 quid spent on a single model for me is pretty expensive. Have people attempted making these things from raw parts in the past? How well do they turn out and can you provide a home made titan model to a gw tournament???

thanks again for all the feedback

If you head over to the P&M or blog forums there is normally a thread or two about someone scratch building a titan. Not an exercise for the faint of heart. If you have the skills and time to build stuff yourself, more power to you (and start a blog so we can follow your work). I don’t think GW runs official apoc sized tournaments, so their opinion is not as important as whatever the guys down at your FLGS think. “Apocalypse”, “Expensive”, and “Forge World” are all closely connected. When working at this scale a certain level of disposable income is assumed. From a fluff standpoint titans are a separate organization from marines. Unlike fellblades (which were used by the marines during the heresy) and thunderhawks (which are still in service)

(Going to make some assumptions about you, sorry if I’m wrong)

It sounds like you are coming to the hobby from the painting side, rather the the game side. Do you own a codex and/or rulebook? If you are just interested in chapter organization, an old version should be fine (but not the fluff-free pocket versions) If you are interested in starting to play more, you will want the up to date stuff. The Blood Angel codex is a little on the old side, you might be able to get a second hand one for cheap. And before diving into the deep end with apoc games, get a grasp on the game and your army by starting small and working up.

In apoc, I understand you can pretty much take whatever you want. I would say definately a thunderhawk.

i would suggest shadowswords for the anti-titan guns. Ye, they are guard tanks but easily tied to the chapter you are using. Imagine a guard regiment you like (or even design your own which can have the same colors as your chapter) and just paint a shoulderpad of the guardsment to match your chapter to show affiliation along with a section of hull or fender to show affiliation. A mark of honor given to them to show they served alongside your chapter. Will tie them together visually.

I can also see a drop pod rain. Fill them with combi-melta sternguard for extra effectiveness against enemy titans and super heavies.

Don't know bout a titan but I can see there's no thunderhawk. Rumour has it that a plastic thunderhawk is in the works. ETA april.

So sorta on topic... anyone ever seen an apocalypse game with an entire space marines chapter of 1k+ marines?

If so any sort of link would be appreciated... that would be so damn badass honest to god

 Dakkamite wrote:
So sorta on topic... anyone ever seen an apocalypse game with an entire space marines chapter of 1k+ marines?

If so any sort of link would be appreciated... that would be so damn badass honest to god

The game would have to be massive. In a “farewell to 5th” apoc game, everyone brought 3k armies to the FLGS and had it out on a huge table. I brought my full battle company, with not a whole lot of whistles and bells, and no non-company assets for those points. I suspect a full chapter, with all the tanks, flyers, techmarines, librarians, etc, is going to be close to 50,000 points. While I know there have been threads in the past answering the question “how much does a full chapter cost, and how many points is it” I don’t think there has been once since the new codex dropped. Of course, how much it costs is an easy answer, as GW has a one-click bundle for the entirety of the Ultramarines.

So not only do you have to have someone crazy enough to collect a whole chapter, but enough people to line up across the table to make it a fight. And a table big enough to hold all that.

In regards to someone having a complete chapter I do believe ive heard one or two crazy collectors which actually owned a 1000 strong army which included loads of tanks, flyers, special characters etc etc and was fully painted by various artists to complete the collection. Im not sure if these were actually put on for display as like an wonder of the world but im sure you can find on the internet some info about these stories which I remember hearing about. It came to mind that the total cost for this would be no doubt near the 8-12000 pound mark if someone would be thinking of splashing out for that kind of size army. Would be near impossible to transport, would be hardly any opponents to face with similar armies and would take a hell of a lot of time to finish.

But from my perspective as a collector/hobbyist it would be more sensible to be build and collect the numbers to result in being a proud owner of a complete chapter to feel a sense of achievement and completeness. Plus I believe it would be big news in all forums for ages hitting the number one spot for popularity.

I would be one of those guys in the distant future that would hopefully be proud owner of a full chapter regularly pumping small investments yearly to purchase new additions to my existing army. I wouldn't feel a need to sell my army on to justify starting a new project as my blood angels are and always will be my favourites, When I do eventually complete the 100 /0 or so strong army I own (plus any future extras) I would be then a proud owner a descent painted chapter / company which I would love to show off to the world.

These are my just my thoughts however.....what does everyone else think about entire chapters and being one day an owner of one of them? I guess by simple calculus if my 100 man army give or take a vehicle works out to be slightly over 3000 points then that times another 10x would result in a whopping 30/40000 point army for a complete chapter.....that's crazy I know......

so in other words 10000 quid = 40000 point army.......makes super sense now :-)