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Was playing a game today.
My opponent brought terminators which had power fists.
Power fists have a 2xuser strength.

The character stat line provides the terminator 2 hits.
Then on the charge he got 1 additional hit.
Then due to two close combat weapons he got 1 additional hit.

So 4 hits total.

When it came time to wound, all wounds were rolled against the strength of the power fist.
I didn't bring it up in the game but it seems like to me that at a minimum the second combat weapon wouldn't be the power fist and should be resolved according to its own stat line (user & no AP)

It also seems quite possible that the charge hit is not a power fist hit.

It seems logical to me that the power fist should only be assigned to the stat line attacks.

I didn't see clarification in the BRB so I am asking if someone can point me in the right direction.
What am I missing?

A PF doesn't count towards the two CC weapons so he wouldn't have gotten the extra attack unless he has dual PF's

I'm guessing they were standard PF + Stormbolter Terminators? If so, all the CC wounds dealt would be at STR 8 because that is the weapon he is using in CC.

Gunther wrote:
Was playing a game today.
My opponent brought terminators which had power fists.
Power fists have a 2xuser strength.

The character stat line provides the terminator 2 hits.
Then on the charge he got 1 additional hit.
Then due to two close combat weapons he got 1 additional hit.

So 4 hits total.

When it came time to wound, all wounds were rolled against the strength of the power fist.
I didn't bring it up in the game but it seems like to me that at a minimum the second combat weapon wouldn't be the power fist and should be resolved according to its own stat line (user & no AP)

It also seems quite possible that the charge hit is not a power fist hit.

It seems logical to me that the power fist should only be assigned to the stat line attacks.

I didn't see clarification in the BRB so I am asking if someone can point me in the right direction.
What am I missing?

Unfortunately, you're missing quite a bit, unless I'm misreading your post.

Terminators do have 2 'attacks' on their profile
Terminators do gain 1 attack for charging
Terminators do not gain an additional attack for two close combat weapons (powerfist models are armed with a powerfist and a stormbolter

The number of 'attacks' is the number of dice you roll, comparing weapon skills for attacker and defender, to determine number of 'hits'
The resulting number of hits is the number of times you roll the strength of the weapon against the toughness of the enemy, in this case, S8 of the fists against the Opponent's T. This usually means you are being wounded on a 2+

So, 5 terminators would make 15 attacks on the charge, against WS4 opponents, they hit on a 4+, meaning around 7-8 hits, then wound on a 2+, meaning likely 5-6 kills, unless you have invulnerable saves.

All close combat attacks are made per the profile for the close combat weapon. Where a model has different weapons, the model chooses which to attack with, and they are all made with that profile

You should re-read the assault section of the rulebook, as well as the weapons/close combat weapons section. Those two should spell out how to conduct the attacks, and what weapons are useable and any limitations (i.e. A powerfist is only able to gain an additional attack when paired with another powerfist)

Hope that helps, don't hesitate to ask additional questions.

Ok, I can see that I was sloppy with my description.

I said hits but as one noted, I meant attacks.

A quick look through the Blood Angels codex for terminators squads does not show an option for a 'second weapon' in the wargear section.
For that matter, neither do assault terminators.
So I am not sure what the opposing player intended when he indicated a 'second weapon'.
Again, unless I am missing something a terminator of either variety generates 2 attacks per assault phase.
If it helps to understand, I do remember that one of the terminators had a heavy flamer and for that model he indicated that it had no second cc weapon due to the 'heavy' weapon.

I see the game mechanic answers the question regarding weapon strength.
When resolving attacks to hits, all CC attacks are mixed into one attack pool.
So it would be impossible at the wound stage to distinguish the origin of the hits.
If the model has a named or special weapon, it uses that stat line to resolve CC wounds regardless of the source.
That's how it was played during the game, so thats good.

So, if you have any thoughts regarding how he could have a 'second cc weapon' beyond just a simple mistake, it would be helpful.
I would like to get this corrected prior to our next game as an extra attack at strength 8 (instant death for my models) from 5 terminators makes it hard to succeed.

You are correct, there are no additional close combat weapons for blood angel terminators EXCEPT for assault terminators armed with twin lightning claws. Those will generate an additional attack and re-roll failed 'to wound' but at s4. The other weapons, powerfists and thunder hammers, all attack with base 2 attacks, and a bonus 1 if charging.

Terminators (or any model) don't get an additional attack for amy weapon, it must be an additional 'close combat weapon'. Stormbolters are not additional close combat weapons, nor are stormshields.

He was correct that the heavy flamer only gets 2 attacks, plus 1 for charging. He was incorrect on the rest.

It is possible he was remembering the old "true grit" special rule termies had which allowed them to treat their stormbolters as pistols (or something like that)

 Happyjew wrote:
It is possible he was remembering the old "true grit" special rule termies had which allowed them to treat their stormbolters as pistols (or something like that)

I assume that was in 2nd ed?

3rd ed. grey knights had it too i believe.

Eihnlazer wrote:
3rd ed. grey knights had it too i believe.

I'm pretty sure that was just the Power Armour guys. I suspect it's more likely that he's just looking at the model and thinking that two weapons used in one hand each automatically qualifies for the bonus without reading the rules too carefully.

True grit storm bolters are indeed GK history from 3rd ed.

Chrysis wrote:
I suspect it's more likely that he's just looking at the model and thinking that two weapons used in one hand each automatically qualifies for the bonus.

Your guess is probably right, I've seen that line of reasoning before. But a standard Terminator model holding his Stormbolter in one hand doesn't make it a pistol type weapon - and even if it was a pistol it wouldn't grant an extra attack when using a Specialist melee weapon like the PF.

Eihnlazer wrote:
3rd ed. grey knights had it too i believe.

Not all of them just the PA guys and it didn't count if you charged so it wasn't great.