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I find this discussion fascinating,
I play because I like seeing what crazy, heroic, frustrating and funny things will happen when my friends roll well or role terrible and we drink a few beers and smoke a few smokes. i enjoy when they reveal the new miniatures they have been working on and then see what it does on the table.
We enjoy the universe that GW has so lovingly made. We also play 4th edition and see no reason to move forward to new rules, we simply integrate current flyers, squads,
weapons, into the game if we decide use them.
For example, we just got the rules for the Thunderfire cannon online and integrated into play.
The rules can be as complicated as you want them to be.
Now a small Tangent,
GW is making bad business decisions in my opinion, but its like when you see your brother doing stupid things in his life, you wish he would stop, but also wish him the best.
I believe the game is meant to be played with your friends, indeed, if I played my Army in a tournament, I would be thrown out of the building because I use Old Crow, Hasslefree, Kabuki, Copplestone and RAFM miniatures with GW ones.
GW should embrace the Miniature Wargame community and seems to be alienating more and more of us.
My local Harley Davidson dealership has outdoor events all the time, they dont throw people off the lot because they ride a Triumph or Victory or Honda, why? Because these are possible future customers. Part of a COMMUNITY.
Do I think the rules are broken? No. Do I think GW is? Yes.