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Hey all, someone at my store has challenged me to a battle report with his dark elder... this is the army I am thinking of using, any thoughts?


+ HQ +

* Warboss
(Furious Charge, Independent Character, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
Power klaw, Stikkbombs (*), Twin-linked shoota


+ Elites +

* Lootas
(Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
15x Loota


* Meganobz
(Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
* Meganob
Stikkbombs (*)
* Mega-armour
(Mega Armour, Slow and Purposeful)
Power klaw, Twin-linked shoota
* Meganob
Stikkbombs (*)
* Mega-armour
(Mega Armour, Slow and Purposeful)
Power klaw, Twin-linked shoota
* Meganob
Stikkbombs (*)
* Mega-armour
(Mega Armour, Slow and Purposeful)
Power klaw, Twin-linked shoota
* Meganob
Stikkbombs (*)
* Mega-armour
(Mega Armour, Slow and Purposeful)
Power klaw, Twin-linked shoota
* Trukk
(Ramshackle)
Armour plates (*), Big shoota, Boarding plank (*), Grot riggers (*), Red paint job (*)


+ Troops +

* Ork Boyz
(Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
* 19x Boy
19x Shoota
* Nob
Bosspole (*), Power klaw


* Ork Boyz
(Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
* 29x Boy
29x Shoota
* Nob
Bosspole (*), Power klaw


* Ork Boyz
(Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
* 29x Boy
29x Shoota
* Nob
Bosspole (*), Power klaw


* Ork Boyz
(Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
* 29x Boy
29x Shoota
* Nob
Bosspole (*), Power klaw


* Ork Boyz
(Furious Charge, Mob Rule, Waaagh!)
* 29x Boy
29x Shoota
* Nob
Bosspole (*), Power klaw


+ Fast Attack +

* Deffkoptas
(Furious Charge, Hit and Run, Mob Rule, Scouts)
* Deffkopta
Choppa, Twin-linked rokkit launcha
* Deffkopta
Choppa, Twin-linked rokkit launcha
* Deffkopta
Choppa, Twin-linked rokkit launcha


+ Heavy Support +

* Big Gunz
3x Ammo runt (*), 3x Kannon
* 6x Extra Gretchin
6x Grot blasta
* 6x Gretchin
6x Grot blasta
* Runtherd
(Furious Charge)
Grabba stik (*), Slugga, Squig hound (*)


* Big Gunz
3x Ammo runt (*), 3x Kannon
* 6x Extra Gretchin
6x Grot blasta
* 6x Gretchin
6x Grot blasta
* Runtherd
(Furious Charge)
Grabba stik (*), Slugga, Squig hound (*)


* Big Gunz
3x Ammo runt (*), 3x Kannon
* 6x Extra Gretchin
6x Grot blasta
* 6x Gretchin
6x Grot blasta
* Runtherd
(Furious Charge)
Grabba stik (*), Slugga, Squig hound (*)



Thank you for your comments!

My strategy is to make him come to me

i would drop deff koptas, boss poles, & big guns runtherd for a few dakka jets. Also drop 1 30m Boy squad for 2 trukk boy squad so your opponent does have to deal with just one unit in their deployment zone.

I also think if you are gonna run a green tide list get a big mek so your boys just dont die outright

yeah... I own 2 or 3, I was just unsure if I needed to put them in for turn 2-3 support? To me it seems a little inconsistent...

Next time dont just copy from battlescribe its a pain to read. Appricated

so sorry!

its a little unreliable but a much needed AA your army is lacking. You also might wanna find the points for an aegis w/ quad.

sure thing... I will see what I can do

Your on the right track using blocks of 30 shooter boyz. I don't use mega armored boyz so only comments I'd suggest would be:

1. Split your unit of looters into 2 units of 7.
2. Find points for a AEGIS DEFENSE LINE
3. Drop Deff Kopta unit to three to pay for Aegis Defense Line?
4. I'd consider adding jets for boys if you have any.

Well over 75% of my games are Orks vs Dark Eldar, and I win over 50% despite my opponent being better than I am ~ essentially, its a good matchup for us if you know what your doing.

MegaNobz are not the way to go about beating Dark Eldar. They are fragile, you don't need klaws to beat them down, and they have a ton of AP2. A trukk is also far too fragile to hold such a valuable unit, and once its dead, the Dark Eldar will run rampant over your MANz. If you do take them, take a small squad in a trukk and make sure you give them Kombi-Skorchas, those will kill far more Eldar than your klaws will

Dark Eldar will usually employ a mech list of dudes in raiders/ravagers. Theres also a scary deathstar using a beast pack, but I've never seen it, so your on your own if that comes up.

These mech squads are very fast and very shooty, but crumble like tissue paper if you can hit them. Since long range shooting doesn't really care about the targets speed, your going to want a bunch of this to crack open his skimmers. Lootas are almost perfect for this job - take three units of five instead of one of fifteen, and perhaps even consider units of ten if you've got the models. A quadgun aegis is also effective for the job, and for helping your lootas stay alive

You've made the right choice in running Big Guns. Kannons are useful for cracking transports but not amazing at it - you need volume of fire not smaller quantities of stronger shots. Lobbas will *ream* the Dark Eldar infantry once they fall out of their metal boxes, and usually I take those over the kannons.

Your blob mobs will work well, however, PK Nobs are a mistake. Again, theres very little in Dark Eldar you'll want a klaw for, so its seriously wasted points. Instead, chuck in three big shootas to help blobs kill Dark Eldar that are out of range and to help grind down some HP off of transports.

Your boss is a waste of points. Generally a vanilla boss is a terrible unit, I always run them with MegaArmour or a bike. In this case, I reckon you'll want the forcefield mek, or alternatively a mini-mek with just a kombi-skorcha and bosspole to keep it cheap and dirty.

Stick your blobs in area terrain and you'll dominate the mid-field, then use the big guns (esp lobbas, who they cannot hide from) and lootas to force them to come to you as you've suggested. Orks can easily beat Dark Eldar if they know what they're doing.

Edit; you could also run green tide for whats essentially an auto-win, if your that way inclined. GT + lootas & guns is something dark eldar struggle with severely

Sweet thanks for all the tips... ill recreate and update the list in a few minutes, but again thanks to everyone!

i didnt realize this was for a DE game, i would deffently get the KFF big mek then. also drop the Mega Nobz for the upgrades we suggested and have one of the artillery gretchin shoot the quad

OK Updated List time:

Big Mek - KFF, Choppa

4 Squads of 30 boys with 3 Big shootas in each

2 Squads of 29 gretchen with 2 runt herds

3 squads of 5 lootas

2 dakkajets with 3 Supa shootas and fighta ace

3 Big guns, 2 have 3 lobbas and one has 3 kannons

Also a AGIES Defense Line with Quad Gun

Total is 1985 points

I would drop one squad of gretchin for some more lootas. you can never have enough lootas

true that! Unfortunatly I only have 15 :(

you have ton of boys, convert them. I have 90 lootas and probli only 60 of them are actual lootas. Take 3 bigshootas green stuff them together and boom a loota lol

thats a great idea! I will have to try that!

We are orks, we dont have to be neat. just cool looking

lol true

Seconding the conversion thing, 29/30 of my lootas are scratch built and I far prefer them to the real thing.

That list will anally devastate Dark Eldar. Make sure he brings a tailored list as well instead of TAC or it will be a stomp

Your megas will be scoring with the boss. FYI. I personally do work with Deffkoptas. One lance shot from DE will take down your jet. It'll take at least 4 shots (with proper spacing) to take down the koptas (my $.02).
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You still need 6's to hit its not as easy as one lance. DE have no problem putting enough wounds on 4 deffkoptas to kill them all.

Hey all... I have a new idea... dread mob? I think yes!
The Brackets indicate a unit of dreads

1970 Pts (I need another 30...)

HQ

265 Meka Dread + KFF Rattler Kannon
160 Big Mek + KFF Burna

Elites

65 Mekboy Junka w/ x3 BS Ard Case
65 Mekboy Junka w/ x3 BS Ard Case
65 Mekboy Junka w/ x3 BS Ard Case

Troops

110 Deff Dred w/ x2 RL riggers AP
{100 Deff Dred w/ x2 Extra CC weapon riggers AP
{100 Deff Dred w/ x1 Extra CC weapon x1 Skorcha riggers AP
80 10x shoota boys Mek with Burna (riding in Junkas)
80 10x shoota boys Mek with Burna (riding in Junkas)
80 10x shoota boys Mek with Burna (riding in Junkas)
50 10 gretchen 1x runtherd

Fast Attack

130 x3 Killa Kanz w/ 2x GZ 1x BS
130 x3 Killa Kanz w/ 2x GZ 1x BS
130 x3 Killa Kanz w/ 2x GZ 1x BS

Heavy Support

190 Mega Dread w/ +1 BS riggers

Fortifications

100 Ageis Defense Line w/ x1 Quad Gun

I see you are going for A dreadmob list... Remember you are required to have atleast one Spanna boyz group in your army.
The junkas aint fast attack so it's better of having normal trukks. Deffdreads are troops so why not go full on them instead? and 3 in one group
and killa kanz can be taken in groups of 5.

Something that would suit this list better is by using escalation and have along a Kustom stompa with that mek making it your warlord aswell xD (+ scoring) and use rest on dreads-kanz anyways armor lists like these are more for fun rather than winning considering what damage str 5-7 can do to our walkers :(

OK thanks!

I was just playing around with the idea...
I might use it as my fun list XD

I like your modified original list better than the dreddmob list.

The dreddmob list is fun and all, and looks good on paper, but I believe that a good Dark Eldar player will simply fly circles around it.

The Dark Eldar's superior speed and maneuverability means that they go where they wish and strike where they wish.

Your other list nullifies this advantage far better, my opinion.

yeah... agreed

thanks