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I just had this rule brought up to me and I want other views on it does nurgles noxious vapors work on high elves/dark elves with great weapons

I guess it grants ASL , then no, special rules don't stack. Page 66

It's a weird situation


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The noxious vapors state anyone who has the sag has asl with the vapors

I'm not fully aware of what noxious vapours actually does, but I'm assuming it gives ASL to enemy units in base contact or something. In which case, it would not work.

Swordmasters/White Lions already have the ASL rule, granted to them by their Great Weapons. Although in practice this is cancelled out by their ASF, they still have the ASL rule. This means that you can't give them ASL again, even though it would make sense (and would actually make them strike last), because you can't stack Special Rules. You can't have ASL twice on a unit, just like you can't have double Hatred, Stupidity or Devastating Charge or whatever.

So, no, it doesn't work, and the Swordmasters/White Lions will still strike at Initiative.

I for sure see your point it actually came up at a tournament and it was deemed by them that they struck last but I just wanted a more broad opinion on this matter and wanted to see the views if everyone

p66 actually says that unless otherwise stated the effects of multiple special rules are cumulative.

(first paragraph, right at the end)

so I would say yes, they can be given ASL twice, and one instance of ASF cancels out the effects of one of the ASL's but not the other.

it would be a rare occurrence for this kind of interaction to happen.

also you can stack hatred, but you are still bound by never getting to re-roll the dice more than once.

actually you can stack the rules multiple times on a unit, however according to the FAQ:

Page 66 – Special Rules, What Special Rules Does It Have.
Change “[...]the effects of multiple special rules[...]” to
“[...]the effects of different special rules[...]”Add “However,
unless otherwise stated, a model gains no additional benefit
from having the same special rule multiple times.” to the end of
the first paragraph.

So having ASL twice and ASF once, does not mean the model will be striking ASL, but at initiative.
Same goes for having ASL and ASF twice, you do not strike at ASF, but at initiative.

Don't get me wrong, I would love if it worked that way. Many armies would benefit from a change in the rules that would allow the ASL and ASF to keep canceling each other out and such.

For example the bat swarms VC has, they give ASL to enemy units they are in contact with, It would help out VC a lot if that would work on sword masters, who have ASL and ASF, thus striking at initiative, but with a bat swarm at them, they would be ASL...but if only.

good catch on that one, I (obviously) retract my statement.

Point proven now I know the answer and have reference