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While Orks aren't a major top-tier army at the moment, I'm still trying to find ways to get my boyz across the board better and overall being more effective. I have had bad luck with Trukk and Wagon spam as well as Kan wall and Bikes. I'm losing some faith in my Orks (the codex can't come soon enough) but was playing around and came up with the following list.

HQ:
Big Mek ('eavy Armor, Cybork, Squig, Choppa, KFF)
Big Mek ('eavy Armor, Cybork, Squig, Choppa, KFF)

Elites:
10 Lootas

Troops:
20 'Ard Boyz (Shootas, 2 Big Shootas, PK BP Nob)
20 Boyz (Shootas, 2 Big Shootas, PK BP Nob)
- Trukk (Big Shoota, RPJ, Ram)
20 Boyz (Shootas, 2 Big Shootas, PK BP Nob)
- Trukk (Big Shoota, RPJ, Ram)
Deff Dread (2 DCCW, 2 Skorcha)
Deff Dread (2 DCCW, 2 Skorcha)

Fast Attack:
Warbuggy Squadron (3 Rokkit Buggies, RPJ)
Warbuggy Squadron (3 Rokkit Buggies, RPJ)

Heavy Support:
Battlewagon (Killkannon, Deff rolla, 2 Big Shootas)
Battlewagon (Killkannon, Deff rolla, 2 Big Shootas)


My thought on this list is a modify kan wall strategy where all vehicles are ahead of the foot slogging boyz. Wagons would contain the meks and work to soften up units with the large blasts. Rokkit Buggy Squadrons for some form of anti-vehicle. Empty trukks just to provide cover and another distraction (yes it's an easy kill point I realize). Dreads provide additional options for scoring and clearing objectives. The 'ard boyz are in there mostly because I'm tired of losing boyz. "Downgrading" them to a mob of 30 regular boyz is possibly but tends to be removed faster than 20 'ard boyz for me.

If Stronghold Assault is in play, I would be entertaining the idea of dropping the trukks (freeing up 90pts) and adding an Imperial Bunker with some upgrades to protect the lootas without hindering the number of models firing too much.

1) What are your thoughts on this list?

2) Any thoughts on making it better?


EDIT: Looking over another Ork list post I noticed that 1 flaw in the list is my assumption that Dredds turn into a Scoring unit but that's not the case outside of BGNT missions. Given the list though, such would only change my strategy around scoring objectives as a whole and not really the list.

huh, very interesting and i dont know how it will work out. I, however, would not suggest RPJ because i'm assuming you are using the trukks as walls for troops and not putting anything into them. The troops cant really move 13 inches in the first place and you can go flat out with the trukks since they're not used for much else.

NonameAI wrote:
huh, very interesting and i dont know how it will work out. I, however, would not suggest RPJ because i'm assuming you are using the trukks as walls for troops and not putting anything into them. The troops cant really move 13 inches in the first place and you can go flat out with the trukks since they're not used for much else.

Good point. Removed the RPJ actually from all of the vehicles in the list and also added 'Ard Cases onto the wagons to make them a bit more durable if a penetrating hit occurs.

Have you ever tried a Green Tide army? If you're tired of losing boyz then bring more boyz, or put all your boyz into battlewagons. If you're running a wall of vehicles for you boyz then why have the KFFs at all?

About the Big Meks. At 1500 and lower, the KFF is usually reliable, but at higher point values you run into more and more "ignore cover".

If you bring lootas, bring at least 2 squads of 10.

I understand why you'd want the Deff Dreads: they look badass, they can be troops (freeing up a Heavy slot), and are beast in CC. The issue here is that they are not scoring and, without a transport, cannot easily get down the board alive (I'm not sure if you're allowed to take a walker in a trukk or wagon).

I have never run warbuggies but with the rokkits they can be a good target distraction for your wagons.

imo: Take warbosses instead of big meks, put your boyz in the wagons, take more long range support (lootas, dakkajets, big gunz), and repeat this until you have 1850pts. Have your warbosses with the boyz and 'ard boyz away from your warbosses for target saturation. Keep nobs with big choppas in the squads with the warbosses so that they can take/give the challenges while da boss cuts up dem gits rite gud.

'Ard Boyz (Nob PK) in a Wagon (2 BS) 335
Boyz (Nob, BC, 'Eavy) with Warboss (PK, Cybork, BP or 'Eavy) in a Wagon (2 BS) 334
Boyz (Nob, BC, 'Eavy) with Warboss (PK, Cybork, BP or 'Eavy) in a Wagon (2 BS) 334
Boyz (Nob PK, 'Eavy) in a Wagon (2 BS, Deff Rolla) 280
10 Lootas 150
10 Lootas 150
10 Lootas 150
3 Kannons 60
3 Kannons 60
Total: 1853

If you really need to get under 1850 just drop the 'Eavy Armour off the Deff Rolla mob. With this least you are scary as hell in CC, a thread from long range, and have all the front armor you will ever want for rams.

And now we wait to see if Dakkamite responds to this thread. He has a great understanding of orks in general but also IA8 in case you wanted to run a dreadmob list.

 Iiswin wrote:
Have you ever tried a Green Tide army? If you're tired of losing boyz then bring more boyz, or put all your boyz into battlewagons. If you're running a wall of vehicles for you boyz then why have the KFFs at all?

About the Big Meks. At 1500 and lower, the KFF is usually reliable, but at higher point values you run into more and more "ignore cover".

If you bring lootas, bring at least 2 squads of 10.

I understand why you'd want the Deff Dreads: they look badass, they can be troops (freeing up a Heavy slot), and are beast in CC. The issue here is that they are not scoring and, without a transport, cannot easily get down the board alive (I'm not sure if you're allowed to take a walker in a trukk or wagon).

I have never run warbuggies but with the rokkits they can be a good target distraction for your wagons.

imo: Take warbosses instead of big meks, put your boyz in the wagons, take more long range support (lootas, dakkajets, big gunz), and repeat this until you have 1850pts. Have your warbosses with the boyz and 'ard boyz away from your warbosses for target saturation. Keep nobs with big choppas in the squads with the warbosses so that they can take/give the challenges while da boss cuts up dem gits rite gud.

'Ard Boyz (Nob PK) in a Wagon (2 BS) 335
Boyz (Nob, BC, 'Eavy) with Warboss (PK, Cybork, BP or 'Eavy) in a Wagon (2 BS) 334
Boyz (Nob, BC, 'Eavy) with Warboss (PK, Cybork, BP or 'Eavy) in a Wagon (2 BS) 334
Boyz (Nob PK, 'Eavy) in a Wagon (2 BS, Deff Rolla) 280
10 Lootas 150
10 Lootas 150
10 Lootas 150
3 Kannons 60
3 Kannons 60
Total: 1853

If you really need to get under 1850 just drop the 'Eavy Armour off the Deff Rolla mob. With this least you are scary as hell in CC, a thread from long range, and have all the front armor you will ever want for rams.

And now we wait to see if Dakkamite responds to this thread. He has a great understanding of orks in general but also IA8 in case you wanted to run a dreadmob list.

The biggest issue with the list though is that battlewagons can't be taken as a dedicated transport for boyz...only nobz and megaz. :-(

I will definitely keep the lootas and the warboss changes in mind though. I agree, a single unit of lootas is not as good as 2.

Woops, there I go being slowed again. I meant to have the Deff Rolla be Nobz and have no Kannons. I haven't had my coffee yet this morning D:

Quick Fix:

Replace Deff Rolla mob and Kannons


8 Nobz (Painboy, Cyborks, PK, WAAAGH Banner!, Big Choppas, and a mix of Kombi) in a Wagon (2 BS)
7 MANz in a Wagon (2 BS, Deff Rolla)